Tuesday, October 03, 2006

King Henry IV -- Act 5, Scene 5

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22 Comments:

Blogger kelsee p said...

1. The battle is over, and Henry's forces have won. Hotspur is dead and Worcester and Douglas are captured. Harry asks his father for permission to do with him as he pleases. The battle was triggered in part by Worcester's failure to offer peace to Hotspur. The King order Prince John and Westmoreland to head for York. Then he and Hal will go to Wales to cope with Glendower and Mortimer

Tue Oct 03, 04:43:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chennery F said...

5) Whew, last scene. It seemed slightly anti-climatic after such intense fighting scenes, but it follows the same pattern as other Shakespeare plays: the next (well current in this case) is the last one the speak in the play. He wraps up the entire play, just like it was another day's work, defeat a rebellion, now lets add up all we won. This last part is the typical falling action of a story, the happy ending if you will. The King and Hal are not longer at odds. I do find it strange that the king adored Hotspur before, and now he barely cares that he's dead. Oh, how things change. Also at the beginning, the King wanted to fight in the Holy Land to unite his country. In a way, he still accomplished that because by fighting internal enemies that threatened his power, he united his own family. How sweet.

Tue Oct 03, 11:20:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Stacie C said...

Questions:
Well, the story may be over, but there are still some questions that I dont fully understand yet:
-- What is the significance of Falstaff-- why does Shakespeare put so much into developing his character, idiosyncrasies, and relationship with Hal?
-- Why does Shakespeare conclude the story with Falstaff making lighthearted jokes and playing tricks toward the end? What does Falstaff's pretend death suggest about Hal, and what is the purpose of including this event into the scene?
-- Why would Hal tell Falstaff at the end that "For my part, if a lie may do thee grace, I'll gild it with the happiest terms I have" (153-154).? Since honor is so important in this society, and since Hal has already shown his contempt for Falstaff, why would he allow this drunk to have the honor that should rightly be bestowed upon him?
-- Why does Shakespeare leave the threat of Mortimer in the background-- in other words, why doesn't he just allow the King and Hal to have a complete victory in the end?
-- Since Henry IV is a historical play, much of the theater-going English population would already be familiar with the overall outcome of the story. What was Shakespeare's purpose in writing Henry IV, and what message was he most interested in communicating?

Wed Oct 04, 07:24:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kylee L said...

Act 5 Scene 5
1) This is the final scene of Part IV and the battle has ended. The rebels lost, but the battle was fought with much bravery. Hotspur was killed along with many other honorable men. Worcester and Vernon were taken as prisoners and are going to be put to their death. The Douglas fought bravely and because of this Henry wants to set him free and let him do what he wishes, even though the Douglas was against the King and Prince Henry. Then the King orders John and Westmoreland to go to York, which is where Northumberland is. The King decides that the Prince and he will go to Wales to fight Glendower and Mortimer. The King wants to fight until all the battles are won.

Thu Oct 05, 05:26:00 PM 2006  
Blogger ChristyH said...

Act 5 Scene 5 Response:
2) The battle is won, on and off the field, but for young Prince Henry, this is just the first victory in his battle for respect.

Scene 5 is both a conclusion and a preview for what's to come in the world of Henry and his family. This scene is significant in that Hal has finally gained his father's respect as well as the respect of his whole nation. By defeating Hotspur, and therefore the whole rebellion against his family, Prince Henry has finally established himself as a respectable character. Though he won the battle bravely, Hal still has a lot of work to do, as he sends troops off to continue the fight at the end of this scene. Henry clearly reveals his maturity, as he lets Douglas go for his valor in battle. Will there come a time, however, when Henry will need to put his Kingship above his sympathy for a brave man, or is that the very thing that could make Hal the greatest ruler his nation will every see?

Thu Oct 05, 07:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sean K said...

10)
In Prince Hal’s final dialogue, “Then, brother John of Lancaster,/ To you this honorable bounty shall belong… Have taught us how to cherish such high deeds/ Even from our adversaries,” (lines 24-31) the worlds of the court, rebels, and the tavern converge in him. Falstaff would question Hal if he would be a fair King in the earlier acts when he would ask how Hal would punish thieves. This idea of a “fair King” is evident in Hal when he returns Douglas to his land free and ransom less. This is a deed that his father denied to Mortimer and it is clear that Falstaff is the role model he uses in this instance. Also, the court is exhibited in the speech because he gives credit to Lancaster, which is necessary for a king if they want loyal subjects. Hal learned this from his father’s mistake because he did not give credit to Hotspur in battle, which gave Hotspur more reason to rebel. Finally, the emphasis of honor in battle that Hotspur displayed is shown in Hal when he commends Douglas for valor he displayed in battle. These three worlds that have converged in Hal will turn him into the success King Henry V that history knows.

Thu Oct 05, 07:56:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Matt P said...

5)
Prince Hal's treatment of his prisoner, Douglas, in this scene confuses and impresses me. Douglas was a huge part of the battle. He greatly helped the rebels' cause. So why does Hal let John of Lancaster do with Douglas as he pleases? What is it that Hal suggests Lancaster do? Hal says, "Go to the Douglas, and deliver him/Up to his pleasure, ransomeless and free" (27-28). To me this could mean set Douglas free, sending him home, but Hal also asks his fathers permission to "dispose" of Douglas. To me, "disposing," of someone is killing them. Does Hal give Lancaster the choice to deliver Doulas home, or to the afterlife? Since Worcester and Westmoreland were both quickly killed, the latter seems to make a lot of sense. However, the word "ransomeless" would suggest that Douglas would be sent home without having to pay a ransome because of his bravery in battle. Hal even regards the bravery with which Douglas has fought: "His valor shown upon our crests today/Hath taught us how to cherish such high deeds/Even in the bosom of our adversaries"(29-31). This commendation of Douglas' great bravery and deeds in battle shows maturity from Hal in being able to see the impressive impact on the battle and the bravery Douglas had. Someone please tell me whether Douglas is to be killed and set free into the afterlife or set free and sent home without ransome.

Thu Oct 05, 09:45:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Molly M said...

Act 5, Scene 5
3)
I found it interesting that several characters get what they deserved in the end. Vernon and Worcester are executed, Hotspur dies, Hal gets to walk by his father's side, Sir John of Lancaster is repaid for his loyalty and bravery, and Falstaff escaped a valiant death, which to him was a good thing but to the rest of his society he gained himself the image of being pathetic and a coward. But the king was never really repaid for his unfair treatment of the Percy family-why not? I don't think that he ever was punished for what wrong he had done to them. Or did he wrong them?

Thu Oct 05, 09:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

I think in this last scene you can really see a change in the king's and Hal's relationship, and also in Hal's character in general. Hal has started acting more princely, which is mainly seen through his speech. He says to his father, "I beseech your grace/ I may dispose of him." Also, the king seems to be gaining more respect for Hal, and calls him "Harry," which is Hal's real name. I think after seeing Hal in battle, the king has more faith in Hal, and trusts him to be a prince more than he did before.

Thu Oct 05, 10:24:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Justin L said...

Response to Act 5 Scene 5:

9) Honor. Simply, who has it and who doesn’t? Throughout the course of this play, the answer fluctuated constantly, never allowing for an apparent winner of this battle until late in Act 5, when the King began emerging. But, from this point the question remains, why did he get that honor? His previous actions against Richard II certainly do not deserve the honor of King, yet here is afforded that honor. Could this be based upon the success that he has now experienced as the King of England, a proven leader and military commander? He fought for his beliefs, honorable, offered an olive-branch to the rebels, honorable, and promises to continue fighting the good fight of the England, for “ let us not leave till all our own be won” (5.5.46),again honorable. He stood up for his beliefs yet again, possibly learning throughout his experiences in the play that living an honorable life is the basis for success and victory, whereas the rebels who lacked that basis of honor lost to the King’s troops in battle. Yet, even though by the end of this play, the King has clearly taken up honor with him, however was he the only to do so? What about Prince Hal? Did he not fight? What about Worcester and Vernon? In their condemnations to death, did they lose honor or gain it? That is held in the eye of the beholder. For the rebels, yes, they were honorable. They were proud martyrs of their time, who stood against the established government to end the injustice that they felt was present, however for the court and its followers, these men were traitors, who deserved nothing more death. But, is honor that cut and dry? No, Shakespeare through this question seems to be stating that honor is not concrete, but fluid, not general, but specific, and that it can cross ideological lines. It could be stated that the rebels who were sentenced to death were honorable because they stood by the beliefs that they held. That is honorable. It is those who live in this world, that even in the midst of defeat, at death’s doorstep, stand up for their beliefs’, confident and assured of the rightness of their cause, who are honorable. Honor, that was the guiding light to the play. Honor, not a gift but an earned reward. Honor, the characteristic that all strive to live under and by, to one day be called a man, or a woman, of honor.

Thu Oct 05, 11:11:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Maya R said...

2.
I am curious as to why the play does not end with a bang. It seems like Shakespeare ran out of space and just had to end the play soon, so he killed the bad ones off and said The End. He sets up for the next play, but does not conclude the first one. Is this purposeful? Probably!

Thu Oct 05, 11:11:00 PM 2006  
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Thu Oct 05, 11:26:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

#2
The purpose of this scene is to show the changes in the characters and their relationships to each other that have developed throughout the play.

Shakespeare obviously needed to have the King take care of the rebels, but the way that he and Prince Hal work together shows how far they have come since the beginning of the play. In his last speech, King Henry tells Lancaster that he and his son "will towards Wales/To fight with Glendower" (39-40). The prince has matured enough to go with his father and fight the rebels. He shows courage and diplomacy as his father did, which shows that he will make a great king in the future.

Thu Oct 05, 11:27:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kaeli K said...

1) The fight between the Percys and the King is over, with the King winning. Hotspur died, Worcester and Vernon are going to be killed (they are captured), and Douglas is captured, but will be released. Other armies are being raised throughout the country, and the King and his army are off to defeat them as well.

Fri Oct 06, 07:25:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kendra W said...

It seems that Hal has finally lived up to his word to redeem himself from his bad behavior in the beginning and fall into his father's footstep's as a leader. This scene really plays out for the next chapter and sets the stage for how Hal will take his responsiblilties. He has gained his father's trust and repect and defeated the rebels. This makes me wonder who will give Hal problems in the next play if Hotspur and his crew are no longer a threat. It wouldn't be an exciting play if there were no opposing force against the protagonist, right?

Fri Oct 06, 11:55:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Emily M said...

Response to Act 5 Scene 3:
5)
Prince Harry surprises us in the end of the play. In the first scenes, he is portrayed as another pubcrawler, who neglects his duties as heir to the throne of England. However, in Act 1 Scene 2, Hal does say, "I'll so offend, to make offence a skill; Redeeming time when men think least I will."

In Act 5 alone, Prince Harry carries out two good deeds. The first is when he valiantly saves the King from the Douglas, who is about to kill the King. The latter shows Prince Henry's good heart, not just good timing in a battle. Prince Hal decides to reward the Douglas: "...deliver him...ransomless and free: His valour shown upon our crests to-day Hath taught us how to cherish such high deeds Even in the bosom of our adversaries." In that day, such a kind pardon in wartime was (I'm sure) unheard of. Even though the Douglas was a rebel, Prince Harry honors him for his integrity. This is the test of a true hero- one that rises from his inner bad to become the man he is born to be.

Fri Oct 06, 11:55:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

Why did Harry decide to set Douglas free? He may have fought bravely, but he was fighting against them. I don’t understand why he would let Douglas go after he tried to kill his father and most likely killed many of his subjects.

Sat Oct 07, 04:04:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Melissa said...

Act 5 Scene 5

10. Hal's tranfsormation in Act V has proven him worthy man for the court. In scene 5, Hal uses all that he has learned from each of the "worlds" (court, rebels, pub crawlers) to become the man that he is in this scene. Now, instead of Hal searching for role models in each of these worlds, I believe that he is a role model for all of them. He displays an honor and fairness when he releases Douglas, "Go to the Douglas and deliver him/Up to his pleasure, ransomless and free./His volars shown upon our crests today/Have taught us how to cherish such deeds,/Even in the bosom of our adversaries" (27-31). This action answers Falstaff's questions in the first act of how Hal will act when he is king, and if he will be fair to his subjects. It also shows his admiration of many of the rebels because of their strength and courage. Finally, as he has already proven himself to his father, he has now taken the responsibility that kings must live with, by choosing dealing with Douglas himself. It is an enormous responsibility, and he makes a noble, kingly decision to let him go.

Sat Oct 07, 04:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric G. said...

The most significant line in this scene is of course the last one

"And since this business so fair is done,/Let us not leave till all our own be won."

The play opens with King Henry wanting to go to the holy land to atone himself for his sins, and now he closes by saying it is better to fix things at home, or even within the self, than to try to do great things abroad. This could be percieved as an overlying idea in the play. Hal needs to have an inward change to fufill his outward duties. The rebellion fails not because of the opposition, though Falstaff is a commendable foe, but because of internal strife. Now the King closes by saying that they cannot leave until all the local disputes are settled

Sun Oct 08, 10:26:00 PM 2006  
Blogger sarahg said...

2.

The importance of this scene is that it sums up the play Henry IV part I and it introduces Henry IV part II. This scene is short, and pretty boring, but it reveals what is to be done with the rebels, and how the king and Hal are planning to deal with the kingdom.

Sun Oct 08, 10:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric W. said...

1 and 2)
I am sure Shakespeare just added this scene to reveal who is still in power. I don't feel this scene is entirely needed. it takes place after the battle and the Courtiers have won. Hotspur was stabbed to death, and the Rebels are all prisoners now. The King orders John of Lancaster and Westmoreland to go to york while the king and Hal take care of Mortimer and Glendower in Wales. The king speaks the last words, therefore, we know who will still be in power in Henry IV, Part 2. WAHOO!!!

Mon Oct 09, 12:42:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Nicole M said...

2) I think the significance of this scene was to set the stage for Henry IV part 2. Henry divides his forces and while the major victory is won, there are still rebels that are alive that need to be dealt with. In ending the play with this cliffhanger, Shakespeare sets up the conflicts in this play's sequel.

Mon Oct 09, 08:19:00 PM 2006  

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