Friday, September 08, 2006

King Henry -- Act 2, Scene 3

Please post your comment for Scene 3 of Act 2 here.

Instructions for Act 2 blogs:

Everyone read 2.1 and 2.2, but no need to blog about these scenes.

Rebels:
• Read and think about how to perform: Scene 3.
• Blog about scene 4 (blog 1: lines 1-337 {end at Falstaff: “Ah, no more of that Hal an thou lovest me.”}; blog 2, lines 338-end {begin with Hostess: “O Jesu, my lord the Prince –“)

Pub Crawlers:
• Read and think about how to perform Scene 4, lines 1-337 (begin performance with line 115 – Poins: “Welcome, Jack, where hast thou been?”)
• Blog about scene 3 and the second half of scene 4--lines 338-end

Courtiers—There is no Court scene in Act II, so Courtiers will do a tavern scene. You’ll rehearse in the court space and perform in the tavern space. You’ll use the pub-crawlers’ costumes provided by that acting company.
• Read and think about how to perform Scene 4, lines 338-end.
• Blog about scene 3 and Scene 4, lines 1-337.

In addition, All students will comment to another person in the class on the class blog for a total of 3 comments on the Act II class blog.

30 Comments:

Blogger Sean K said...

Act 2 Scene 3
7)At the beginning of this scene, Lady Percy is curious about why her husband looks faint and is out of bed (lines 36-41). She is worried because she has heard rumors of war because Hotspur speaks words such as trenches, prisoners’ ransom, and slain soldiers. Though Hotspur will not be honest with her, she suspects that it has to do with her brother, Mortimer (line 81). Because Hotspur is not honest, Lady Percy feels that he does not love her and that she does not love herself (lines 96-100). She is upset and wants Hotspur to prove that she loves him by answering the question directly, instead of acting like a, “mad-headed ape.” At the end of the scene, Hotspur does convey his love to her, but also that he does not trust enough to share his plot. Though Lady Percy is annoyed by this, she believes she must be content with his decision because of Hotspur’s force.

Tue Sep 12, 08:58:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Becca S said...

Act 2 Scene 3
4.)
"Say you so, say you so? I say unto you again, you are a / shallow cowardly hind, and you lie: what a lack-brain is this! By the Lord, our plot is a good plot, as ever was laid,"
-I like this quotation by Hotspur because it reveals his hot-tempered personality. Hotspur is one of my favorite characters so far because he seems so angry --he truly captures the revolutionary spirit (even if he isn't the brains behind the action). I love how he calls the King a "shallow cowardly hind" and a "lack-brain".

"Such as we see when men restrain their breath / On some great sudden hest. O, what portents are these? / Some heavy business hath my lord in hand, / And I must know it, else he loves me not."
-This quotation by Lady Percy makes me like Hotspur a little less. She reveals how stressed-out Hotspur has been acting and how neglectful he's been to her -his wife. However, even though Lady Percy says that she wishes Hotspur would pay more attention to her, she seems to be very rational. "when men restrain their breath / On some great sudden hest." --she seems to value the importance of Hotspur's work and know that it comes before her. It's very respectable that all she demands to know is what Hotspur is doing --so it made me like Hotspur less when he considered everything she said a joke and wouldn't take her seriously.

"Away, you trifler! Love! I love thee not, / I care not for thee, Kate; this is no world / To play with mammets, and to tilt with lips; / We must have bloody noses, and cracked crowns,"
-This scene really seems to reveal Hotspur's qualities. He is obviously very devout to his work --so much that he would try his relationship with Lady Percy. However, though Hotspur refers to his relationship with little care ("I love thee not"), he also reveals his sense of humor. I'm sure Lady Percy knows that he is joking-around through most of this scene because she just seems to laugh-off what he says to her. What I like most about this quote is the beautiful diction: "to tilt with lips / We must have bloody noses, and cracked crowns" --I love how this quote puts Hotspur's priorities in order. First the crown and war, then his wife and life.

Tue Sep 12, 10:19:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Stacie C said...

#7, Act II, Scene iii, Hotspur
I've finally received responses to all my letters seeking support-- we will unseat this king. He shows little respect for his advisors-- those of us who allowed him to gain the title of "King of England"! We must go to the castle and destroy him and his disloyal, pub-crawling, drunken son who dares to call himself "Prince". I may spend the remainder of my life mounted atop a horse, fighting against this pitiful man, and "that roan shall be my throne"! (65) Ah, here comes my wife again-- she's been asking all day why I must leave, why I don't act as I usually do. She doesn't understand the serious nature of this revolution-- I think that "this is no world/ To play with mammets, and to tilt with lips./ We must have bloody noses, and cracked crowns" (86-88). Cracked crowns, indeed-- the cracked crown of the King I was once willing to sacrifice myself to save. But this is my fate, a secret plot, too dangerous for even my wife to know. She says, "in faith,/ I'll know your business" (74-75), to which I can merely reply that she is "but yet a woman, and for secrecy/ No lady closer, for I well believe/ Thou wilt not utter what thou dost not know. / And so far will I trust thee" (103-107).
For our protection, she must be kept ignorant of the future, of my bloody future. This is my life, spent in peril for my fellow men, to ensure that only the rightful heir to the throne wears the royal crown upon his head.

Wed Sep 13, 02:09:00 PM 2006  
Blogger ChristyH said...

Act 2 Scene 3
Response to Becca:
Becca, I totally agree with what you had to say about Hotspur and his wife. I love the quote you chose to represent his attitute and great fighting spirit. This quote shows who Hotspur really is and also shows that he isn't afraid to speak his mind about the king. I have a lot of respect for him because he says what he believes, whether it's right or not. Also, your comment about Lady Percy is very true. I have a lot of respect for her for respecting Hotspur and his doings in battle. By her just wanting to know where he is and what he is up to reveals her strength. She clearly can survive independently without Hotspur, but her being concerned for him portrays her love and loyalty for her husband.

Wed Sep 13, 08:51:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Paige w said...

Question:

Did Hotspur tell Lady Percy he did or didn't love her at the end? I was confused by that, and why couldn't he tell her, does he not trust her?

Wed Sep 13, 09:14:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chennery F said...

Response to Paige:
In the end of this scene, Hotspur does say he loves Lady Percy: "I will swear I love thee infinitely" (don't have line numbers, sorry). Despite this, later on in this dialogue he basically says that she is a woman, so he cannot trust her enough to tell her the plan. He says he actually does trust her, but not enough to tell her more than he already has.

He constantly keeps repeating that he must leave her. He almost has to convince himelf of it. Perhaps by not telling her the plan, he is keeping himself, as the man, in more control of the situation. I mean, it must be very scary to embark on a revolutionary action like this, so maybe he covers up his own doubts and insecurities by making his wife beneath him in this scene.

Wed Sep 13, 11:45:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Steph Zepelin said...

3)
-Who is the letter (that Hotspur is reading to himself in the beginning of Act 2 Scene 3) from? My guess is that it is from King Henry IV.

- I wonder how close Hotspur and his father (Northumberland)and his uncle (Worcester) really are? Will they all stick together throughout the whole show?

-From about lines 45-50 Lady Percy lists a bunch of different things. What are they and what do they mean?

-Does Lady Percy even know about the conflict between Hotspur and the king? If not, that could explain why she thinks that Hotspur is acting so strangely.

-What does Hotspur mean when he says that his horse will be his throne?

-Does Hotspur actually not love Kate? What made him stop loving her?

-How will Kate and Hotspur's relationship develope throughout the play? I think we will see a significant strain.

Thu Sep 14, 06:08:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Karen W said...

Act 2 Scene 3
The Voice of Lady Percy....
He acts so strange, how am I to think things normal when he speaks of evils to be feared. And then he is without sleep, on edge and short with me...and I ask him, "For what offense have I this fortnight been a banished woman from my Harry's bed?" (Lines 41-42)And he can give me no answer to satisfy my quest of wrongdoing, so I must conclude to hate myself. If he does not return my love, then why should I exert such effort too? Nay nay, now he does love me, but not enough to trust, to share his thoughts. What then is love? Can I be contented to wait to hear my Hotspur's secrets? Wait until the brutality of his tortured mind is made plain to all and not just me? I have no special place, but he loves me he does...I have no choice but to wait, and if it is to be called choice, it be not mine, but his...and so...I wait.

Thu Sep 14, 07:45:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Paige w said...

In response to Steph's comment, her second question, I don't think Hotspur and his gang are going to stay together through the whole rebellion. I think that one of them will step out and give up the rest of them to the king. It seems that Hotspur and his hot head may get them into trouble, with his big mouth. Worcester was the only one to get him to calm down and reason, but Worcester won't always be there to cool him down.

Thu Sep 14, 07:58:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dayna Z said...

Act 2, Scene 3:
#6: I think the relationship between Hotspur and Lady Percy is very interesting throughout this scene. They seem to always be testing each other to see how their spouse really feels about them, and they each seem to question the strength of their relationship (Lady Percy more so than Hotspur).

Their first encounter in the scene is when Lady Percy questions Hotspur about his behavior and tries to find out what he is up to. She immediately wonders if he is leaving because of her, inquiring, “For what offense have I this fortnight been a banished woman from my Harry’s bed?” (2, 3, 33-34). She is afraid that she has done something to cause him to act so strangely, with behavior such as having a lack of appetite and pale skin. When Lady Percy asks Hotspur why he is acting as he is by saying, “What is it carries you away?” (69), Hotspur jokingly responds, “My love, my horse” (70).

When Lady Percy becomes angry because her husband refuses to tell her what he is conflicted with, she questions their relationship. She asks if he really loves her, and she even defiantly tells him that if he does not love her, then she does not love herself. To this, Hotspur originally replies, “Love, I love thee not. I care not for thee, Kate” (83-84). This part of the scene reminded me quite a bit of Hamlet when Hamlet tells Ophelia that he does not love her as a way to test if she really loves him. Even though Hamlet really does love Ophelia, he wants to see how she would respond to him telling her he does not. The same idea is true in Henry IV: Lady Percy tests Hotspur to find out how he really feels by questioning his love, and Hotspur test her right back by denying his true feelings. They are both trying to interpret the other’s feelings.

In the end, Hotspur admits his true feelings of love for his wife, but still shows a weakness in their relationship in that he refuses to reveal to her what troubles him: “But hark you, Kate, I must not have you henceforth question me whither I go, not reason whereabout” (95-97). Their relationship seems fairly weak since neither one is certain about the other’s true feelings, nor do they know whether or not they can trust each other.

Thu Sep 14, 08:30:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

I think it is interesting that in this scene we learn that Hotspur is having trouble sleeping. His wife asks "what is 't that takes from thee/ thy stomach, pleasure, and thy golden sleep?" We also know, from that lovely passage we did for tuesday writing, that King Henry ends up unable to sleep also. This is another interesting connection between the two, along with the similarities in their speeches that Mr. Sale pointed out to us. I think these similarities between two characters who turn out to be enemies is a possible way to compare and contrast the characters of each person. Also, this shows that Hotspur is now possibly feeling guilty about joining Glendower's side and rebelling against King Henry.

Thu Sep 14, 08:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kaeli K said...

Act 2 Scene 4
10) While Prince Henry is associating with the pubcrawlers and low-lifes of his society, I believe he is educating himself about his country. Falstaff is a very prominent character in this catagory. One of Prince Henry's lessons is in lines 244-255 when Falstaff is reacting to being caught flat out lying. Instead of getting mad, trying to defend his lie, or shying away from the situation, Falstaff merely acknowledges that he was caught, points of the positives of the situation, and moves on with a cheerful spirit. Not one person gets upset with Falstaff for lying and he has not lost any respect in the eyes of his peers. This is an example to Prince Henry of how to escape a "sticky" situation and get out of it successfully.

Thu Sep 14, 09:18:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chaser said...

3. I agree with Dayna and her comments about Hotspur and his relationship with his wife, and I think this scene portrays their relationship quite well. Although they seem to sincerely love and care about each other, it appears as if each of them wishes to test the boundaries a little bit of the other one to see just how much each other cares.

Lady Percy is a lot like the clingy one in a relationship. When Hotspur disappears for a while, although I would consider someone’s spouse disappearing for an entire night a valid reason to question him or her on it, she automatically assumes it is her fault. She immediately asserts that she is responsible for Hotspur’s actions, but she doesn’t seem to realize that he is an independent man too. Her concerns with her physical appearance are weak, even though she uses them to fall back on, because in a real relationship, you should never need to worry about that kind of thing, especially when you really love each other and are married. I think that she is actually possibly only in denial that perhaps Hotspur is up to something else, which is why she gives him a reason to act the way in which he does. However, Hotspur laughs and tells her it was simply his horse, but use this as a symbol. It is a passion, and perhaps Hotspur is pursuing a passion, and Lady Percy simply ignores it because she doesn’t really want to know. How ironic that later in the scene she confronts him and demands to know if he loves her. First of all, this is so stupid. I speak from experience, and I do not believe that any attempt to treat someone you really love as if you do not and tell them something like, “well if you don’t love me, I don’t love you.” Sure, you can pretend, but you know you really will still love them. I disagree with such a “test”, like Hamlet and Ophelia, because all this does is create an entrance for pride and that hurts feelings, and this prejudice brings us to another book in which a similar denial of feelings overwhelms the characters. (Fortunately Darcy and Elizabeth finally achieve maturity in that one, of course.) As Dayna said, they indeed are trying to interpret each other’s feelings, and to this I say fine. But what they should be doing is getting in touch and establishing a connection with their own feelings in order to truly maintain a happy relationship. By doing this, then they could really trust each other, because each would be trusting his or herself.

Thu Sep 14, 09:31:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kendra W said...

Act 2 Scene 3
6.
I enjoyed observing the relationship between Lady Percy and Hotspur. They seem to act very flirtatious with each other because Lady Percy asks if he loves her and he says he doesn't but he calls her "Love" several times. He asks her "come, wilt thou see me ride?" as if showing off and to make sure she loves him. Lady Percy also toys with Hotspur when she tells him "I will not love myself" is he does not love her. I think by not directly telling Lady Percy his feelings (wich he finally does near the end of their meeting), Hotspur is trying to keep the upper-hand in their relationship. If he keeps her dangling and not telling her everything about his whereabouts, Hotpsur will be able to control her and do what he pleases.

Thu Sep 14, 09:41:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Molly M said...

Act 2 Scene 3:

6)

This scene demonstrates the marital relationship between Lady Percy and Hotspur. It is made very clear that Hotspur is more concerned with his country than with his wife. He is busy dealin with "bloody noses and crack'd crowns" (line 92). Lady Percy does not seem to understand why he refuses to give her any attention. She asks, "For what offense have I this fortnight been a banish'd woman from my Harry's bed?" (lines38-39). Hotspur and Lady Percy's relationship is portrayed as very one sided. Hotspur has the mentality that there are more important things to deal with, which is why he is leaving her again and Lady Percy longs for her husband to spend time with her. Hotspur refuses to give her any details, "for secrecy, no lady closer-for I well believe thou wilt not utter what though doest not know" (lines 108-109). He does not trust that she will keep his secret and that he can safely confide in her. Which again brings about the lack of trust between characters in this play. For instance Henry's lack of trust in Mortimer, believing he intentionally lost his battle. Or also Henry's lack of faith in his son that his son can be a responsible ruler. Shakespeare seems to use the struggling marital relationship between Hotspur and Lady Percy to emphasize the lack of trust portrayed in the rest of the play so far.

Thu Sep 14, 09:57:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Nicole M said...

Act 2 Scene 3
1)In the beginning of this scene Hotspur reads a letter from a nobleman that he had asked to join the rebellion. The nobleman refused in his letter saying that the plan is not well thought out enough. Hotspur is worried that the nobleman will reveal his plan to the king, so he decides to go join his allies and start the rebellion.
Lady Percy comes in and becomes upset when Hotspur tells her he is leaving. She comments on his recent behavior and asks him to tell her what he is planning. Hotspur ignores his wife as she gets more angry and demands aswers. Hotspur bedomes angry with Lady Percy. He tells her that he does not love her, and refuses to tell her what he is planning. He tells her that he will send for her and that she can follow him the next day.

Thu Sep 14, 10:09:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Lauren M said...

Act 2 Scene 3
1.) In this scene Falstaff, Peto, Bardolph, and Gadshill rob the travelers and as they begin to divvy up the gold, Harry and Poins (dressed in masks and disguised, of course) rob the four of them. Falstaff tries to fight but in the end all four men flee leaving Poins and Harry with the gold. They find much humor in the fact that Falstaff will have to walk back to London because they got rid of his horse.

Thu Sep 14, 10:23:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Nicole M said...

Act 2 Scene 3

Response to SOME of Steph's questions:

I think the letter that Hotspur read at the beginning was from a nobleman that refused to join the rebellion and pointed out the weaknesses in Hotspur's plan

I think Lady Percy has a vague idea of what is going on with Hotspur, but she is becoming frustrated with him, which is why she demands answers

I think Hotspur does truly love Kate. This scene is just another example of his hot-headedness. He loves her, but he quickly loses his temper with her.

I don't think that Hotspur and Kate's relationship will really develop at all. The impression that I got was that this scene was a portrayal of a typical interaction between the two. Hotspur's hot-headedness interfere's with all aspects of his life, including his relationship with his wife.

Thu Sep 14, 10:26:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Maya R said...

6.
Hotspur's rough and warrior character is softened by his wife, Kate.
At first, Hotspur is sarcastic to Kate; she asks what takes him away and he responds that it is his horse. In this way, it is apparent that Hotspur wants to leave his questioning wife and be on his way. He also tells her in lines 90-93 that the world is not a place for dolls but a place for bloody noses and broken skulls. His mind is on war. Even when he sleeps, Hotspur speaks of battles, with sweat on his brow. Hotspur is so anxious to leave that he tells Kate he does not love her.
However, the longer Hotspur is with Kate, the more calm and gentle he becomes. She reveals that she is hurt by his comment that he does not love her and by his anxiety to leave her. This causes him to break down his barrier toward her and reveal his care for Kate. Hotspur is still anxious to go, but he says: "when I am o' horseback, I will swear I love thee infinitely"
(100). He then goes on to describe Kate as gentle, and even expresses regret that he must leave her. Hotspur also tells Kate that "today will I set forth, tomorrow you" (115). This implies that Hotspur desires for Kate to be with him.
Although Hotspur is of rough character and driven to war, his character melts in the presence of his gentle wife.

Thu Sep 14, 10:30:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Melissa said...

Act 2 Scene 3

6. Hotspur and Katherine's relationship is definitely a love/hate relationship. They are back & forth, hot & cold, and in this scene, there is much tension and some sort of animosity.

There is no trust whatsoever in their relationship. Katherine does not know of any of Hotspur's affairs; she only knows what she has heard him mutter in his sleep, which cannot feel very reassuring to her as a wife. It must be hard to realize that your husband is being distant and keeping secrets. She says, "Some heavy business hath my lord in hand, And I must know it, else he loves me not" (lines 62,62). She wants Hotspur to appreciate and love her, yet he won't confide in her his life and business.

Love, also, is a very sensitive subject between these two, and the word is tossed around in circles in the scene. After just having screamed at eachother to get away Katherine says, "Do you not love me? do you not indeed? Well, do not then; for since you love me not, I will not love myself" (lines 94-95). Katherine wants her husband to love her and is frustrated with his nonaffectionate side towards her. He does not even answer her plea if he loves her. He simply says he must leave.

What a messed up marraige.

Thu Sep 14, 10:31:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Melissa said...

In response to Staci...

Wow! That was very creative and I connected and related to everything you were illustrating Hotspur as thinking. What an awesome job!

Thu Sep 14, 10:33:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dana A said...

Act II Scene III-
# 7
If I was Horspur during this scene and I was reading the letter sent to me by some unknown person, I would begin by sounding slightly offended knowing that the writer of the letter was unsure of my plan. As the letter writer continues on with his doubt my annoyance at his inability to see my brilliant plan would mount. By the end of the letter my voice would raise and I would practically shout at the letter, calling the writer a "shallow-cowardly hind." I think that this would show Hotspur's obvious pride and unwavering self-confidence. He seems infinately sure of himself and his plan to take down the king and one apprehensive person is not going to stop him. Once Hotspur begins talking to Lady Percy, I would sound bored and impatiently wait for her to finish her long lament of how I am not myself. I would than go on to completely diregard all her comments for the moment and call in the servant. Once she begins talking again, I would answer her rather serious question of "What is it carries you away?" with an extremely buttered up comment of "Why my horse(my love) my horse." I would sound completely serious but way too innocent and sweet-minded about my completly sarcastic comment. I would than go on from sarcastic to annoyed that she would waste my time with matters of love when I have manners of the throne to attend to. As a result I would mess with her head over whether I loved her or not , even tho I do, and make her doubt herself so that she could see that I have more important things to do.

Thu Sep 14, 11:35:00 PM 2006  
Blogger sarahg said...

Act II Scene iii

#7

If I were an actress playing the role of Lady Percy, I would focus on her genuine concern for her husband's well-being, her inability to understand Hotspur's actions and emotions, the anger and sadness she feels about some of the things that Hotspur says to her, and the lack of knowledge about what is going on in the kingdom.

When the scene begins (after Hotspur has read the letter from the nobleman), Lady Percy displays her concern for Hotspur's well-being and health. In lines 32-40, she expresses several elements of his behavior and appearance that she is sincerely worried about. She cannot imagine that he is fit to travel away from home. Lady Percy also communicates the feeling that she has been pushed aside and even disregarded for the past couple of weeks.

From lines 40-59, Lady Percy reveals her inability to understand the things that Hotspur is yelling in the night about war, or under his breath. She has even noticed a different way in which he handles his horse. She does not understand why he is sweating in the night, and "[restraining his] breath on some great sudden hest"(Line 57). Later in the scene, when Hotspur has his sudden outbursts of anger, Lady Percy cannot grasp why he unexpectedly changes to such hostile tone and emotion, or why he repeals his vow of love to her. It is a very difficult concept for any woman to deal with.

In line 83, when Hotspur claims that he does not love Lady Percy, she attempts to be angry right back at him, but then she seems to plead for him to take it back when she says "Do you not love me? Nay, tell me if you speak in jest or no" (Lines 91-92). This line reminded me of the scene in The Notebook, when Allie and Noah break up. At first, Allie screams at him to leave, and kicks his truck as he begins to drive off. Only seconds later, Allie's tone of voice, facial expressions, and body language does a 180 degree turn, and she chases after Noah, assuring herself more than him that it is just a fight they are having, and that it is not really over. I would draw insight from Allie Hamilton's character to play Lady Percy in this scene.

One last item that is discourage Lady Percy is that she does not know where her husband is going, why he is going there, or what is going on in the kingdom. She correctly assumes that Hotspur is assisting her brother, Mortimer, to reclaim the English throne (Lines 73-76), but Hotspur neither denies nor affirms her statement. Even when Lady Percy specifically asks Hotspur to give her the complete and honest truth, Hotspur does not give her any information. Lady Percy is surely very frustrated that her husband does not trust her, or any other woman, for that matter. The man that she has loved for years is keeping secrets from her. And they are not little, unimportant secrets; rather, they are vital to the future of the kingdom of England.


This may seem strange, but I think that I would draw a lot of influence for the character of Lady Percy from Padmay, in Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith. Annikan is very much like Hotspur, if you think about it. They are both rebelling against past friends, and neither man informs his wife of what he plans to do. Padmay's emotion is expressed so clearly and effectively in Revenge of the Sith, and I think that Lady Percy's character should show similar emotions and actions onstage in Henry IV: Part I.

Thu Sep 14, 11:37:00 PM 2006  
Blogger barbarab88 said...

4)
"Do you not love me? Do you not indeed? Well, do not then, for since you love me not I will not love my self. Do you not love me? Nay, tell me if you speak in jest or no?"
I really like this quotation. It reflects the attitude that the person you love is a mirror of your own image. By Kate asking if Hotspur does not love her, she questions whether she should love her. This shows their connection to each other and the true love they feel that they almost become one.

"To play with mammets, and to tilt with lips. We must have bloddy noses, and cracked crowns, and pass them current too."
I like this playful dialogue between Hotspur and his wife. It makes me laugh. It is also the first time I have seen Hotspur not angry and formal. He is actually...cute...with his wife. It's a new personality I have not seen from Hotspur yet. I like him like this. He seems volurable for the first time. He doesn't seem as strong, therefore he is very relateable.

"It must of force."
I like this sentence a lot actually. This describes a lot about Hotspur and Kate's relationship. It says that they need each other and that they are dependent upon one another. This could either symbolize Hotspur's demise or his greatest strength. I don't know yet. It will be interesting to watch throughout the play.

Thu Sep 14, 11:47:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dana A said...

Act II Scene III

Response to Maya's comment:
I liked how you said that Kate softened Hotspur's warrior-like nature. It made me think that maybe by showing the compassion and true loving concern Kate has for Hotspur, it is highlighting these charactersitics that Hotspur is seriously lacking. Maybe without such compassion and care for the ones who are important to him, Hotspur will fail because he will have no support. This to me shows Hotspur's flaw in being too prideful because his pride makes him feel he is above showing emotion. Maybe he feels showing emotion will shatter his tough warrior personna. In reality without emotions he will simply shatter his ties with typical humans.

Fri Sep 15, 12:06:00 AM 2006  
Blogger barbarab88 said...

In response to Kendra W:

While I think it was an interesting observation that Hotspur was attempting to gain the upperhand in the relationship, I do not think so. Kate is shown too much on par with Hotspur to be lower than him. She matches his wit throughout the scene and even toys with him a little. I believe that Hotspur wanted to play with Kate. It almost seemed like he wanted the validation of her love, not his dominance.

Fri Sep 15, 12:08:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Eric G. said...

Steph Z. left some pretty closed answer questions and I'm tired and sick so for my response I'll answer them

1. You Guessed wrong the letter Hotspur is reading is from a nobel who won't join their cause.
2.They are pretty close, or at least close enough because they've already orchestrated one ousting of a king.
3. The things Lady Percy lists are war devices.
4. No Lady Percy does not know about the plot, that is the whole arguement in the scene.
5. When Hotspur says his horse will be his throne he is saying he is a man of action and will wield his power through his military might.
6. Yes Hotspur loves Kate, all couples have maritial strifes. In fact I think Hotspur doesn't want to worry Kate and that is why he doesn't tell her about the revolt. Kate obviously doesn't want a revolt as she said she was afraid Mortimer was getting caught up in his title and was asking Hotspur for help in claiming the throne.
7. I don't think there is any real martial problems as aforementioned. I guess we'll see.

Mon Sep 18, 09:48:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Matt P said...

Reaponse to Molly M:
Molly, I agree with your argument about Hotspur's treatment of his wife, and I would also like to assert that this treatment is due to the view of women during Shakespear's times. Women in this time were expected to be completely subservient to their husbands. They were to always be there and back their husbands no matter what. Hotspur obviously puts the revolution before his wife, but the social views of this time seem to make this action much more accaptable. Hotspur feels that the needs of the revolution are more pressing than those of his wife, and the outlook of his society permits this because of the subservient view of women.

Tue Sep 19, 10:01:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric W. said...

7) Throughout the scene, Hotspur is yelling at his wife. He doesn't tell her the truth about leaving and she is upset that he will not trust her(line 30). Hotspur yells "Away! Away, you trifler. Love, I love thee not.
I care not for thee, Kate." (2.3.82-85) and then later in the scene he speaks, "I will swear
95 I love thee infinitely. But hark you, Kate, I must not have you henceforth question me" (2.3.94-96). Hotspur is dealing with so many problems in his life right now and having his wife nag at her doesn't help. It seems like in the beginning of the scene, Hotspur is honest with his emotions in expressing his frustaration with Lady Percy. But later in the scene, it seems as if he is saying whatever she wants to hear eventhough he still must leave. This definitely reveals Hotspur's releationship with his wife. It seems like they both love eachother, but Hotspur, out of force, can pursuade Lady Percy to do anything he desires of her. Hotspur really doesn't take into account the emotional struggle that this is having on Lady Percy.

Mon Sep 25, 05:35:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Eric W. said...

Response to Sean:
Even if Hotspur says that she loves her, he hasn't given her any signs of attention for the past two weeks. No matter what Hotspur says, Lady Percy really just wants to feel loved. She said that she is not even in love with yourself. She is not content without herself or Hotspur. Hotspur should not forcefully make Lady Percy do anything. Lady Percy wants to feel like she can be trusted and loved, but Hotspur just argues with her, not really taking into consideration Lady Percy's emotional struggle. I agree that Hotspur does love her but why doesn't he show it? Does he not have enough trust to even tell his own wife what he is up to?

Mon Sep 25, 06:05:00 AM 2006  

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