Friday, September 08, 2006

King Henry -- Act 2, Scene 4, Lines 138-end

Please post your comment for the last half of Scene 4 of Act 2 here. Instructions are on the Scene 3 post.


Blogger kelsee p said...

(Mr. Sale, this is a combination of several of the questions, i just had a lot to say)

It is very interesting to note in this part of the play the ever-developing character of Falstaff. I believe that more of his true character is revealed especially when he is arguing with the prince. He brags about how many of the people he fought but can't seem to keep is numbers straight. The prince calls him without hesitation on this mistake, but Falstaff is quick to defend himself. I believe that this is Shakespeare's way of expressing something about human nature. That one is quick to make up great boasts and brag of unfulfiled accomplishments, and when light is shed on lies, more lies take over. I believe that this is the reflection of Falstaff's selfish nature presenting itself. If I were the prince I would be furious that someone (Falstaff) would think that I am so stupid that he can impose his selfish boasts on me. This passage of the play, however gave me a greater respect for the prince in his dealings with Falstaff.

Tue Sep 12, 04:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Becca S said...

Act 2 Scene 4 (lines 338-end)
The second half of this scene consists mostly of a comic presentation by Falstaff and the Prince of a hypothetical conversation between the Prince and his father about the Prince's lifestyle. First Falstaff pretends to be the King but the Prince switches roles with Falstaff (so that the Prince is acting as his father) when Falstaff mocks the Prince by spending more time praising himself (Falstaff) than posing as the Prince's father. When the Prince acts like the King, he too makes fun of Falstaff. While this show is going on, a sheriff comes to the tavern at which point Falstaff hides and the Prince assures the Sheriff that the "fat man" is no longer there and will return all stolen items tomorrow. Then the Prince and Bardolph search Falstaff's pockets while he sleeps and find a paper that says how much more wine he's bought lately than food.

Wed Sep 13, 01:51:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Becca S said...

Act 2 Scene 4 (2nd half)
Response to Kelsee's post:
I agree with Kelsee that Falstaff's exaggerations reveal something about human nature's lack of honesty (especially to cover up past lies). I also think that Falstaff's exaggerations might mirror something about the other "worlds" of the book. His boasts might foreshadow another character's boasts. Now I'm just guessing, but I think that this scene might foreshadow an action of the Prince. The Prince and Poins predicted Falstaff's exaggeration --I think that the Prince might do/say something (possibly to put himself on an equal level with Hotspur) that will make him seem foolish.

Wed Sep 13, 02:06:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Stacie C said...

In response to Kelsee's comments,
I was also frustrated with Falstaff's conduct, but I thought more than simply empasizing his bold, egotistical nature, Shakespeare highlights the cultural importance of valiance and courage. Falstaff is very fat, and usually drunk, so he can physically do very little to prove himself brave. Thus, he must create stories that portray himself as a valiant warrior, someone who fights for his countryman's rights. Futhermore, he mocks the King and Hal by suggesting that Hal would believe his lies. Perhaps Falstaff is testing the nature of the Prince-- is he realistic? is he gullible? does he value courage? will he be a good king? Although he often provides some measure of comic relief, what is Shakespeare's purpose in introducing and developing Falstaff's selfish, boastful personality?

Wed Sep 13, 02:17:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kylee L said...

Act 2 scene 4 lines 138-end

3) After reading the second half of scene 4, I wonder why Prince Henry is such a good friend to Falstaff?

Falstaff is an old man who likes to get drunk, while the Prince needs to sometime or another begin fulfilling his duties as prince. Henry shows his friendship with Falstaff when the sheriff comes in search of him. The sheriff explains to Henry who he is searching for, “One of them is well known, my gracious lord, a gross fat man" (124, lines 460-461). Prince Henry says that he has no idea where this man is, even though he told Falstaff to hide when the sheriff arrived. Maybe a reason why Prince Henry is such a good friend to Falstaff is because the Prince just wants to be around the lowest of the low. Then his reputation will be really low so that when he does decide to go back to being a real prince people will be surprised and praise him that he returned to his royal duties.

Wed Sep 13, 07:27:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kylee L said...

Act 2, Scene 4 lines 138-end

Response to Kelsee:
I agree with what you said about Falstaff's nature. I think that Falstaff is a selfish man who lies. Also, if I were the prince I too would be annoyed with Falstaff, but I do not have more respect for the prince because he told the sheriff that he did not know where Falstaff was. So the Prince lied to the sheriff to keep Falstaff out of trouble, and I do not respect him for that action.

Wed Sep 13, 07:33:00 PM 2006  
Blogger ChristyH said...

Act 2 Scene 4 Lines 138-end
One sentence (actually two) I found to be very important to this scene comes in lines 403-404 when Prince Henry says, "[As King Henry]Thou art violently carried away from grace. There is a devil haunts thee in the likeness of an old fat man."
These two sentences are very crutial to this scene because they reveal that the Prince realizes how his father thinks of him. Hal is talking as if he were his father, and he implies that his friends (in particular Falstaff) are bad influences on him and causing him to engage in risky behavior. The play would be very different without these lines becaue they show that Prince Henry is mature and realizes the consequences of his actions. By Hal pretending to be his father, he reveals the reality of how he is viewed by others and the influences surrounding him.

Wed Sep 13, 08:42:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chennery F said...

Does being with the pub crawlers help Hal at all? Does being with Falstaff bring out a better or worse side of his character? He does steal with/from them, and drinks a lot. But he's loyal to them--like how he lies to the sheriff to protect Falstaff. And this loyalty shows honor which is so important, but does the fact that Hal steals and drinks take away from that? I basically just don't know what Shakespeare wants us, the audience, to think about Hal being with the pub crawlers all the time.

Wed Sep 13, 11:39:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

I enjoyed Bardolph’s entry in this scene from lines 273-292. He tries to be honest with Prince Hal about the robbery and yet defends himself from any blame. He seems to want Hal to like him and trust him, but Hal sees through his tactics and questions his statements. Bardolph feels a little guilty for committing the robbery, and especially for lying about it, which is why he directly tells Hal exactly what they did to make it look as if they had fought off another band of robbers. However, he also places much of the blame on Falstaff: “Yea and to tickle our noses with speargrass to make them bleed…and swear it was the blood of true men…I blushed to hear his monstrous devices” (lines 279-282). If I was playing Bardolph, I would put on an innocent face and demeanor while explaining everything because that is how he is trying to come off to Prince Hal. When Hal chastises Bardolph, I would act embarrassed and try to continue to spread the blame. Bardolph clearly wants Hal to like him and side with him, and so tries to please him. He seems upset with Falstaff, therefore, for making himself embarrassed in front of Hal, the one he is trying to impress.

Thu Sep 14, 07:58:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

In response to Kylee's question, I think that Prince Hal is friends with Falstaff because he sees him as a pseudo father figure. No, Falstaff is not a good example, and he is immoral and sometimes mean, but Hal does not want to be the moral man his father wants him to be, at least not at this point. When Prince Henry and Falstaff are about to roleplay the King and his son, Hal sarcastically remarks, "Do thou stand for my father and examine me upon the particulars of my life" (lines 338-9). He is tired of a father who, by asking his son how he spends his time, is being a good, responsible father. Instead, he wants to be free of that responsibility and act as any young person, heir to the crown or not. Falstaff seems to be an elder that allows the behavior Hal exhibits without nagging him or berating him. This may not be the only reason Hal is friends with him, but I think it definitely attracts him to this old, fat, drunk man.

Thu Sep 14, 08:06:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

I thought it was interesting the contrasting views of Falstaff that were presented when Falstaff and Princer Henry were acting. When Falstaff is playing the King he talks about himself in such a good way that I just laughed.
"If sack and sugar be fault, God help the wicked. If to be old and merry be a sin, then many an old host that I know is damned... but for sweet Jack Falstaff, king Jack Falstaff, true Jack Falstaff, valiant Jack Falstaff, and therefore more valiant being, as he is old Jack Falstaff, banish not him they Harry's company, banish not him thy Harry's company." Line 424-432
Falstaff's description of himself is amusing because he is obviously a cowerdly robber. Even though Falstaff sounds serious in his self description, possibly he is exaggerating, as he is know to do. This would be the ultimate of his exaggerations because it is about his own faults.
Falstaff thinks that the Prince should lose all the other ruffians but begs to keep Falstaff, himself, as a friend. It seams that Falstaff is affraid he is ultimatetly going to be banished so he is pleading that the Prince let him stay.

Thu Sep 14, 02:47:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

OK, I know I spelled Prince and ultimately wrong!

Thu Sep 14, 02:51:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

In respnse to Kelsee:
I thought it was interesting that you brought up covering lies with more lies. Falstaff just keeps digging himself in a deeper hole. His whole life is becoming lies because he covers everything up with anyother lie. If he was as great as he thinks he is, he would be courageous and admit to his lies. He could have just laughed at Henry and Poins robbing joke instead of lying on top of a lie. Falstaff knew that Henry and Poins knew he was lying so he just came off even stupider. I think that this character of his is what is ultimately going to get him banished.

Thu Sep 14, 02:56:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Justin L said...

Response to Act 2 Scene 4 Part 2:

9) After exploring Act 2 Scene 4 Part 2, the motif of honor and courage stood out. At first, Hal is questioning Gadshill, Peto, and Bardolph about why they so quickly ran away when he and Poins attacked them, stating that they “ran away upon instinct” (2.4.312), framing them as cowardly people who could not “touch the true prince” (2.4.313). This sets up the mind frame of Hal as one in which he cherishes honor and courage, even going as far as to harass those who do not portray such attitudes. For example, when Falstaff returns from talking to Sir John Bracy, he mentions the wars that are occurring in Northern England, which transpires in to statement in which Falstaff states that “that rascal [Glendower] hath good mettle in him. He will not run” (2.4.361-362), which again shows a preference for courage and honor over cowardness. However, Hal points out a central fact of this play, that even though the characters seem to profess the appropriateness of living with honor and courage, they never seem to live in such a way, by stating that “what a rascal art thou then to praise him so for running” (2.4.363-364). Why do the characters idolize a life of honor, yet refuse to live in such a manner? For when Falstaff and his pack of thieves are attacked by Poins and Hal, instead of fighting, they run, settling for the lies planned out by Falstaff that they should look and act in such a way that “would make you believe it was done in a fight” (2.4.319). By making up this excuse, not only does it prove that they are not heroic, but that they also know that that ideal is the goal for which they must be striving to live by. This creates a conflict within the lives of the characters that show the audience the differences between how one knows they should live, and then how one actually chooses to live, in which some even go to the point of open rebellion to that stated goal because they know it is not within their reach. Thus, could this be Falstaff’s mental dilemma that is causing him to advocate one ideal, yet live for another? Then, the question is how does this impact Hal and his interpretation of courage and honor and the role that it should play in his life. For instance, when Falstaff is portraying the King and provides a description of himself, he does not focus on the wonderful qualities that he has, but on the characteristic of himself that even if he “ be lewdly given, he deceiveth me, for … I see virtue in his looks” (2.4.439-441), which leads Hal to the thought that one does not actually have to be honorable or courageous, but to just look like it, to have the effect of having honor and courage. Could this possibly play into the actions taken later on by Hal, even explaining why he now chooses to stay with the pub-crawlers because from that point he can easily assume a courageous air because he was able to overcome their temptations? At this point, the motif of courage and honor is being toyed with in an attempt to come to a conclusion on the actual purpose and necessity of one having honor and courage. I thought this was an extremely interesting subtlety that Shakespeare placed into this scene, so that the reader may question what is greater, what is actual or what is seen?

Thu Sep 14, 06:24:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Emily M said...

Act II Scene IV

3) Nothing really confused me in the rest of the scene, except for it's existence in the first place. What is the point of this scene? I feel that the only part important to the plot is that Prince Hal gets the message to attend court the following day. Everything else in the scene is comedy, from Hal and Falstaff's roleplay to Hal's jokes at the end about Falstaff's weight. Not that comedy is bad, but it seems almost as if the comedy is the glue holding this play together.

Thu Sep 14, 07:55:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sean K said...

response to chennery f

Hal benefits from the companying of the pub crawlers because it is a place where he has no responsibility or is judged by his father. From the earlier court scenes, it is obvious that his father is only concerned with wars and is critical of his son. When Hal is around Flastaff is concerns are comical and he is not judged by Falstaff. Falstaff is an unconditional friend for Hal and the scene in which Falstaff assumes the role of king, there is an accurate dialogue of how critical the king would be of his son. This is why Hal needs comical relief.

Thu Sep 14, 07:57:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric G. said...

My favorite sentence in this section is when Falstaff tells Hal that Worcester and crew have left to create an uprising against Henry. Falstaff asks Henry, "Art thou not Horribly Afraid? Doth not thy blood thrill at it?" (Lines 381-382)Now I know that is two sentences but I couldn't pick between the two. I like these words because Hal is being asked how will you respond to the upcoming events. Hal is being asked,"Will you become a coward and shrink in the line of duty or will you respond to your call of duty?" This is esentially the conflict that brews within Hal. I can just envisoions Hal's eyes being swept with understanding knowing that he can no longer remain lukewarm as the Prince of the country. Ironically enough the serious question is being asked by none other than Falstaff.

Thu Sep 14, 08:02:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Emily M said...

In response to Kylee's question.

I think that Falstaff represents the childish, immature side of Prince Hal. He wants to cling to his gluttonius (sp?) lifestyle, and live the 'good life'. Prince Hal stays friends with Falstaff so that he can always have a good time, even on the toughest of days. I think that when Prince Hal becomes King, he will keep Falstaff around to keep him company. Falstaff also doesn't expect much from him, even with his position as heir to the throne. THis is probably relieving to the Prince, because if he were living in the castle, he would be pressured into acting like royalty. Falstaff acts as a foil to the lifestyle Prince Hal was born to live-- that of the King.

Thu Sep 14, 08:06:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Karen W said...

I found it comical to watch as Falstaff plays the role of a king in the very beginning of the first part of these lines. In previous scenes, his mannerisms are quite the opposite to stereotypical kingly magnanimity though he does have the part of a self absorbed and greedy king down to a tee. Perhaps Shakespeare’s lesson is that great men have the same faults of poor men, but the faults of a great man are made public. Falstaff is always greedy and self absorbed, but when he is in a position of power, his negative attributes are now intensified because they have the potential effect other people on a bigger scale.

"Peace good pint-pot. Peace good tickle-brain" (Line 410). Amusing, for the great king is no great king at all, and can not seem to loose himself. He is a pub crawler who drinks from a mug (pint-pot) filled with liquor (tickle-brain).

Thu Sep 14, 08:31:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dayna Z said...

Act 2, Scene 4 (2nd half):
#3: Why do Prince Hal and Falstaff role-play in this scene as Hal and his father? Could Shakespeare have included it to show the way Hal interprets how his father feels about him? (Such as lines 402-403 where Hal immitates his father saying to him, “Ungracious boy, henceforth ne’er look on me.”) Is it intended to create sympathy for Hal because he has such a grim idea of what the king thinks of him?

Also, on an unrelated note, I was wondering why Hal stays so loyal to Falstaff at the end of the scene by hiding him from the sheriff even though he makes fun of Falstaff to his face? Why doesn’t Hal treat him like a better friend?

Thu Sep 14, 08:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Justin L said...

Response to Emily M.:

At first, I agreed with you, but the more I looked into the scene and the meaning that the comedy can hold, I found that this scene is much more important that originally thought. This scene demonstrates the relationship between Hal and Falstaff that provide a foundation for understanding their actions throughout the rest of the play. Here, we begin to understand their motives, such as it seems Prince Hal is beginning to understand the reasons why he needs to be courageous, as he spends a good majority of the time questioning the courageousness of the people that he surrounds himself with. Could it be possible that Falstaff is intentionally acting in this uncourageous way, to push the Hal in the right direction? This just might be the case. The importance of this scene is that Hal is beginning to put together his personal morals that are going to dictate the kind of King that he is going to be. It is this growth that I think was the focus and meaning of this scene, not just the comedic relief, which did provide a foundation for these thoughts to be shown on.

Thu Sep 14, 08:57:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

I really liked this scene, mainly because of the comical banter that goes on between Falstaff and Hal. My favorite part is when Falstaff and Hal act out what Hal will say to his father when he goes to see him in the morning, and they both have very different views on how King Henry regards Falstaff. Hal thinks Henry will say, "Why dost though converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness, that swollen parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack, that stuffed cloack-bag of guts, that roasted Manningtree ox with the pudding in his belly...." I love the relationship between Hal and Falstaff, because they converse so lightly and freely, and tell each other what they really think about each other. It's nice for them to be able to joke around with each other and have fun, even though rebellions and war are starting to break out everywhere.

Thu Sep 14, 09:20:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kaeli K said...

After finishing Scene 4, I am very curious as to why Prince Henry wanted to look in Falstaff's pockets. It just seems out of place to me for a Prince but then again he is associating with these pub crawlers and that would not be out of place for them. But does this action contain any deeper meaning?

Thu Sep 14, 09:25:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kaeli K said...

In response to Kelsee's first blog.
I completely agree with everything you said and found myself having an "ah-ha" moment, but there is one thing I disagree with. I don't believe that Falstaff is selfish, I just think that it is in his nature to portray himself as this brilliant man when really he is not. I think he wants to do this just for the fun of life and the joy it brings, but I don't think he takes anything that seriously and actually cares what other people think about him and how he is portrayed.

Thu Sep 14, 09:29:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chaser said...

I think a lot of people are really hitting it well that Falstaff is not exactly a man that can be accredited for his strong personality. He constantly relies on arrogance and sarcasm to cover up his own blatant insecurity and vulnerability. The main issue I have with him is that other people cover for him, and I do not like the influence he exercises over some of the people he associates with. I find the prince's lie to the sheriff rather pathetic although unfortunately this all too often happens when people have control over people even when they do not deserve it and Falstaff most certainly does not. He is prideful and arrogant, just like I had commented on the very first blog. While some comment that the prince is honoring and respecting Falstaff to keep him out of trouble with the sheriff to be somewhat noble, I have to raise the fact that Falstaff is not the type of individual that should be deserving this kind of generosity or positive treatment anyway. It is his arrogance and manipulation skills that earn him respect, which is simply given based from other's ignorance. (I'm not all that fond of Falstaff; can ya tell?)

Thu Sep 14, 09:38:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Nicole M said...

Act 2 Scene 4 (lines 138-end)

Having Falstaff pretend to be King Henry when Hal was preparing to face his father was a way to exemplify Hal's search for a rolemodel in all of the wrong places. By having Falstaff take on the role of his father, Hal is putting Falstaff in a position to be a role model. Falstaff falls very short, and only praises himself rather than preparing Hal to take on his responsibilities. Hal rebels from his life as prince by associating with the pub crawlers and looking at them as role models, but he still cannot escape his duty which ties him to the court.

Thu Sep 14, 10:20:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Molly M said...

Act 2 End of Scene 4:

In Response to Chennery:

I believe that spending time with the lower end of society will allow Hal to be a more successful king in the future. By associated himself with Falstaff and others, he discovers what their life is like and maybe why they do what they do. It gives Hal a more broad spectrum of understanding for what will one day become his country. I think that Falstaff brings out a few bad aspects of Hal's character. For instance the drinking and the stealing. But I believe that long term Falstaff will bring out the best in Hal because he allows Hal to gain experience. He teaches Hal how to react to those less educated and also gives Hal the opportunity to be shown that there are less fortunate and less educated people in his country. Falstaff allows Hal to see the benefits of being royalty. So instead of growing up as a man who is merely king because it his duty, Hal will now be given the opportunity to grow up and know how to be a king for his people and he will have greater knowledge as to what his people want and need.

Thu Sep 14, 10:22:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kendra W said...

Act 2 Scene 4 (lines 138-end)
I am frustrated with Prince Hal's friendship with Falstaff. I don't understand why he can't just accept his responsibility as a prince. I think he hangs around Falstaff to make himself look better. I think he plans this so that when he finally takes charge, the change will be very dramatic and his transformation from low to respectful will gain the respect and interest of everyone around him. I think he's thought through his actions more than it appears.

Thu Sep 14, 10:27:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Matt P said...

Act 2, Scene 4 (lines 138-end)
The part of Falstaff in this scene is a challenging one because of the emotions he must show. Falstaff begins this half of the scene calling Harry and Poins cowards for defaulting on their meeting. Anger, frustration, and an accusatory disposition are all required to be convincing. He then tells a great tale of lies about how he was robbed by many man, but fought so gallantly. For this an actor must show much bravado and swagger while telling the wide-eyed tale. The actor must feel that he is making chumps out of Hal and poins for believing him. Then, when Hal refutes Falstaff's entire story, even offering to provide evidence, the player of Falstaff must come across as slightly flustered at the discovery, but should also be able to show a quick regaining of composure to move onto the next set of lies. After that the player must feel the heartfelt story that he tells of why the king should keep Falstaff. However, he must also come off as playful and light about the whole discourse. Lastly, the actor must feel slight fear about the sheriff coming, but still be playful in banter with Hal.

Thu Sep 14, 10:28:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Lauren M said...

Act 2 Scene 4 (lines 338-end)
2) This scene is incredibly significant because without it the reader would understand Prince Hal's motives as much. By hearing Hal's reaction to the news from his father and the role playing with Falstaff, the reader can further understand his relationship to King Henry. This scene also reveals Prince Hal's morals when he picks Falstaff's pockets out of mere curiousity. The point has been made that Hal is being a disappointment on purpose so he can rise and impress everyone with his shining morals when he finally becomes king, but after his behavior in this scene I have my doubts that he'll be able to achieve such standards for himself. This scene also harbors much comic relief which provides a subconcious way for the characters to reveal their true nature.

Thu Sep 14, 11:01:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Lauren M said...

In response to Kaeli's question:

I think the prince wanted to look in Falstaff's pockets because it was a kind of a fair trade for him sticking up for Falstaff to the sheriff. It made me wonder whether the prince truly trusts anyone, though. Perhaps he was just looking to stir up even more trouble. He seemed disappointed when he found nothing of value in Falstaff's pockets. Also I think Shakespeare used this incident to portray the prince's complex character and double sided nature. One minute he's a hero and the next he's deceitful. It proves very interesting that he will stick up for Falstaff and then the next minute go through his things for no reason at all. Overall I don't think this action majorly affects the scene. I do think that it reveals a lot about the prince's character, though.

Thu Sep 14, 11:13:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Steph Zepelin said...

This scene is extremely significant to the play. It shows both Falstaff and Hal's true character. Without this scene, the reader would not have a very good grasp on these characters and their relationships to others in the play.
In this scene, the reader see human nature exhibited in both Falstaff and Hal. Falstaff exagerates grossly when retelling the story of how he was robbed earlier that day. He wants to sound brave and noble. Each time he speaks, the number of attackers increases. I think Falstaff is looking for attention. Also, he is the fat, useless, lard and so he wants people to see that he did something brave.
Hal is revealed in this scene. He can be very vicious with his comments toward the lying Falstaff. However, when Hal hears the news about his father and the civil war, he is concerned about it because he is so loyal to his father. Even though he can be a little mean spirited by robbing people for fun and going overboard with the jokes, he is still a good son who is loyal to his father. This scene shows the duality of Hal's personalities more than any scene we have yet read. One minute he is robbing people and insulting them, and the next his is concerning himself about the future of the monarchy.

Thu Sep 14, 11:15:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dana A said...

Act II Scene IV

Prior to it I believed Hal and Falstaff to be both on the same level of morality but this scene helps to distance Hal from Falstaff.

Prior to this scene it seemed that Hal was just riding along for the fun and games. It seemed all he did was steal purses and play jokes on people. But when we hear Falstaff's blatant lies of how the number of attackers kept growing and how Hal clearly dislikes Falstaff's lies, we see Hal's honest side. To me it seems Hal is developing his sense of morality and he is beginning to see that Falstaff is immoral and not someone he should shape his character from. But he still rescues Falstaff in the end because that is what friends do for eachother and for Hal to be a good, moral person he must also be a good friend to the people who care about him.

Thu Sep 14, 11:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Maya R said...

Response to Kylee's question:
I agree that Hal hangs out with Falstaff to heighten his own character. He can feel better about himself knowing that he isn't like Falstaff. I think the Prince is fooling everyone; really he knows everything that is going on in his kingdom and is developing his character as a prince in secret. He spends time in pubs, like Kylee said, so that when he becomes king he can surprise everyone with his total character turnaround. He also spends time in pubs to get to know everyone in the kingdom, not just the courtiers. Hal is learning how to become a good king by practicing on the pub crawlers.

Sat Sep 16, 01:52:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Karen W said...

Act 2 Scene 4 second half

In response to Kelsee...
Kelsee's post made me think a lot about what Shakespeare might think about human nature in general. Falstaff is all over a weak character in the sense that he is never genuine. We can get a sense of who Falstaff is by comprehending what he is not. Falstaff is not brilliant or heroic or brave. Is there a reason we learn more about his character from his lies rather than from his statements backed up by action? He can certainly talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, he can barely stand up because he is so exaggeratedly fat. This leads me to think that Shakespeare is trying to portray that it is human nature for people to redeem themselves for their obnoxious idiosyncrasies by creating an identity that is contrary to who they truly are. It doesn't seem to bother Falstaff because he believes his own lies, where as others do not. I think that if I were the prince in this particular situation, I would laugh at Falstaff because his sense of himself is so diluted, it presents an amusing situation. His name, Falstaff, even portrays more about his character then he himself actually does. Unfortunately, his name doesn't redeem him, but makes me think of someone who is not to be trusted, someone who is in fact, False. Back to Kelsee, I liked your blog because it made me think…

Sun Sep 17, 07:52:00 PM 2006  

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