Tuesday, September 19, 2006

King Henry -- 3.1.198-276 and 3.2

Please post your comments for Scene 1, lines 198-276, and Scene 2 of Act 3 of Henry IV, Part 1 here. (See instructions under the post for Scene 1, lines 1-197.)

30 Comments:

Blogger Justin L said...

Response to Act 3 Scene 2:

5) After exploring Act 3 Scene 2, the character that Prince Hal took on caught me by total surprise through the actions that he took in front of his father. Throughout the play leading up to this point, Prince Hal lives in a world of deception, hiding his true feelings under a shroud of confusion and double-loyalty. He states that he wants to live a princely life, yet clearly sides with Falstaff and Poins in plans to rob those who are around, believing that he can live two lives at once, reaping the benefits of both. However, at one point, he began to realize that this is not possible, that he can not live this double standard, confessing that “I am doubtless I can purge myself of many I am charged withal” (3.2.22-23), promising to “be more myself” (3.2.95). The question now lies in why does Prince Hal have this change in moral grounding, or is not a change in moral grounding, but a change to the practice with which that moral grounding is upheld? Is Hal finally beginning to realize who he really is, forcing him to take responsibility for his actions, as evidenced in his promise to his father when he states that he “will wear a garment all of blood and stain my favors in a bloody mask, which, washed away, shall scour my shame with it” (3.2.140-142)? But then, why is he doing this? The last time he was mentioned in the play, he was summoned to the King in the pub with Falstaff, and now he is there. What happened in between? What caused this change? Nothing is specifically pointed to in the text, but I do think that the text offers clues as to the reasoning placed before him by the King that shaped this change in Prince Hal. During the King’s initial discussion with Hal, he states that he wants to know what “else, could such inordinate and low desires, such poor, such bare, such lewd, such mean attempts, such barren pleasures, rude society as thou art matched withal, and grafted to, accompany the greatness of thy blood, and hold their level with thy princely heart?” (3.2.12-19), forcing Hal to think about the person that he has actually become, instead of the person that he needs to be. This is a reality check for Hal, that says these acts of your previous life are not made for you, that you are made for something much greater. But, what is amazing about this scene is not that Hal simply understands the arguments put forth by his father, but that he accepts the criticism of his past life, agreeing to change and live a more princely life, as evidenced by his statement that “my youth hath faulty wandered and irregular, find pardon on my true submission” (3.2.29-30). This scene presents to the readers the true character of the Prince, allowing for them to gain deeper insight into the relationships that are forming in this play, now especially in relation to his father. This is why Hal’s reaction to the King stunned me, in that now they are becoming what a father and son should be.

Tue Sep 19, 10:33:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chennery F said...

4) I found one quote that was especially interesting to me: "That, being daily swallow'd by men's eyes, They surfeited with honey and began To loathe the taste of sweetness, whereof a little More than a little is by much too much" (Act 3, sc. 2, about lines 60-63). Here, King Henry is telling his son Hal that Hal is spending too much time among common people. And although it may seem like fun and that Hal is making friends, Henry proves that this relationship will go sour. The King explains how he never got too close to the commoners, so he could simply be admired from afar, without personal contact. The King's comment basically says to Hal that if they see too much of him, they won't start to like him. I thought this was an interesting philosophy and wondered why Henry would say such a negative comment about people. But it almost relates to his own knowledge and feelings towards Hotspur. The King admired Hotspur greatly, until he learned more about Hotspur and realized that he was rebellious. The relationship change expresses why Henry may have told his son this, besides the fact that he does not want his son around commoners. The diction in this quote is also interesting since he uses food words like "honey" and "taste of sweetness." These words further develope the motif of food surrounding the pub crawlers and how they are superficially attracted to only material items that can be consumed, as opposed to the King's quest and respect of intagible items like honor, reputation and title.

Wed Sep 20, 09:13:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Steph Zepelin said...

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Wed Sep 20, 09:22:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chaser said...

7) From Henry's point of view:
Even though Henry has lived a life that many people have seen as being pathethic and most certainly not reflective of the aspiring role model he should try to be, in this scene Henry takes on a new beginning. He finally takes it upon himself to realize that he needs to grow up and face reality. He begs for his father's forgiveness and insists that the way he has been acting for so long is not the REAL him, and that now he is going to make a vow to do better. He promises that he will be honest and forthcoming in his admittance of responsibility for his actions. Whether a self choice or inevitable, Henry suggests that now he will be able to leave behind his foolish and immature ways and prepare to be a better king by starting now to be better. He really believes this, even if some of it appears to be somewhat spontaneous and unexpected, but he knows only time can prove if he can really achieve his new commitment to his people, his father, and even just himself.

Thu Sep 21, 11:51:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

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Fri Sep 22, 10:07:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

#2
The significance of this scene is that the King and Prince Hal finally have dialogue in which King Henry asserts his reasoning for worrying about his son’s behavior, and in which the prince vows to change.

Previously in the play, the father and son have been separated and much has been spoken of Prince Hal’s bad behavior that is unsuitable for the heir to the throne. The king has a chance to tell his son, face to face, why he looks down upon his behavior. He explains that King Richard, whom King Henry overthrew, made a habit of spending so much time with the common people that they ceased to look up to him. He basically assimilated himself into their culture and so did not have power as a respected authority figure. The king tells his son, “For thou has lost thy princely privilege/ With vile participation” (lines 86-87). This scene is a turning point in the play because Prince Henry claims, “I shall hereafter, my thrice gracious lord,/ Be more myself” (line 93-94). From now on we should see very different behavior coming from the prince, hopefully more befitting his title.

Fri Sep 22, 10:09:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Emily M said...

Response to the end of Act 3 Scene 1 (lines 198-276):

6)
The end of Act 3 Scene 1 further explores the bitter relationship between Lady Percy and Hotspur. I think their relationship is quite odd, honestly. Hotspur first begins by making a crude statement: "...come, quick,quick, that I may lay my head in thy lap." Lady Percy then criticizes him for this statement. This portrays Hotspur in a worse light than he is already in from the beginning of the scene. Now he is not only immature and obnoxious, but tasteless as well. Hotspur and Lady P continue to argue. To me, it is hard to tell if they are playfully arguing, or if they are extremely annoyed with each other. In Act 2 Scene 3, Lady P is very upset that Hotspur is once again leaving her for battle. Now in this scene she seems very annoyed with his continuous antics and childish remarks. Another example is when Lady P says, "Then be still" and Hotspur remarks, "Neither; 'tis a woman's fault." Not only is his comment sexist, it is incredibly rude to say to his own wife! Throughout this scene, their relationship confuses me even further. It seems to me however, that Lady P is ready for Hotspur to leave for battle, due to his immaturity.

Fri Sep 22, 11:27:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Kylee L said...

Act 3 Scene 2:

7) Inside Henry's mind: It is time for me to prove to my father that I can be honored and achieve great things like Hotspur. My father is angry with me because I am not the son that he wants me to be. I disappoint and embarrass him with my actions and he thinks that I am acting just like King Richard. I know that my actions have been dishonorable, but all that will change when I win the next war. I want to start acting like the really Henry. The Henry that people will admire and that my father will be proud of.

Fri Sep 22, 11:29:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Dana A said...

Act 3 Scene 1 (197-276)
6)
The end of this scene is both aggrivating and kindof funny. It further emphasizes the sarcastic realtionship between Kate and Hotspur. In contrast to the earlier scene between Hotspur and Kate, Kate seems to stand up for herself more and to me is on the same intellectual and witty level as Hotspur. Maybe she has finally realized that if she does not stand up to her husband he will simply walk all over her. Hotpspur says to Kate," Quick that i may lay my head in thy lap." And Kate responds, "Go, ye giddy goose." Instead of acting insulted and accusing Hotspur of not loving her, Kate responds with fire and completely disregards Hotspur's uncalled for comment. Hotspur further insults Kate by called her his "branch" (hound, bitch). Kate responds, "Wouldst thou have thy head broken?" and all Hotspur can say is "No." To me it seems Kate has won this argument, thus exhibiting authority over Hotspur and all he can do is insult her womanhood and demand that she sing for him, which she does not do. The unromantic relationship between Kate and Hotspur is further highlighted by the love and high regard Mortimer holds for his wife. He says that he will learn Welsh for her sake and will never be a lazy lover. Also it shows that Mortimer has patience and is able to go through certain hardships in order to speak with the woman he loves. This makes Hotspur appear even less patient with is wife and clearly his regard for her is weakening their already unsteady relationship.

Fri Sep 22, 11:53:00 AM 2006  
Blogger kelsee p said...

6.) At the beginning of Act 3, Scene 2 it is very interesting to observe the king’s view on his son and the ever developing relationship that these characters have individually and with each other. In Lines 5-9 of this scene the king not only expresses the grief and torment in his heart relating to his son, but, he also cries out, asking if it is for some wrong that he has done or some fault of his that has made his son like this. (“I know not whether God will have it so For some displeasing service I have done”). Throughout the scene the king has an attitude that seems very virtuous toward Hal, because the things that he hears about his son from people he does not seem to fully believe, even though he may be giving his son this impression. However, as a good father would, he allows his son to have a chance to redeem himself and try to explain his negative actions. To this the prince claims “I would I could Quit all offences” (3.2.21-21). Even though the king does reproach the Prince for his wildness and the shame that he has brought to his father and even compares him to Richard II, I believe that Shakespeare wanted the reader to subconsciously note the deeper feelings of the king’s heart, in that he may appear to be very bitter toward his son, but he does hope for better actions. He even gives his son fatherly advise (in the midst of his own bragging) “and then I stole all courtesy from heaven and dressed myself in such humility that I did pluck allegiance from men’s hearts” (3.2.52-55). Therefore, in this scene, the reader is truly given a sense of the king’s fatherly love for Hal despite his wrongful choices.

Fri Sep 22, 12:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Steph Zepelin said...

Response to Act 3 Scene 2:

10)
This scene is incredibly signifigant in Hal's search for role models. It seems to be the turning point between his life as a ner-do-well pub-crawler to a person of the court. King Henry comes to Hal and tells him what is going on that Hal may have to assume the throne soon. However, King Henry also expresses his disappointment that Hal hasn't done his duties as a member of the royal family. Hal swears that now he will be proper and do whatever he has to to help his father overtake his enemies.
This scene shows who is the most powerful role model in Hal's life- his father. I will have to continue to reading to see if this stands true or if he falls back into his old habits with the pub crawlers. However, I think that this scene shows that Hal truly is loyal to his father. He will do whatever it takes to make his father happy. Hal's father is truly the strongest influence/role model in Hal's life.

Hal's search for role models

Fri Sep 22, 01:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kendra W said...

Act 3 Scene 1

5. At the beginning of this scene, Hostpur again reveals character flaws as a leader. He makes fun of Glyndwr's beliefs in magic. When Glyndwr claims that "the heavens were all on fire, the earth did tremble" when he was born and that he can command the devil, Hotspur only mocks his claims. His immaturity with the situation and disrespect for his family's important ally (Glyndwr)is unappealing and hardly worthy of leadership quality. Hotspur's negative attitude is certainly a weakness and I expect this to hurt him later on down the road.

Fri Sep 22, 02:37:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kendra W said...

Act 3 Scene 2

2. I think the sentence "I shall hereafter, my thrice gracious lord, Be more myself" that Prince Hal speaks to his father is very significant to the scene. The king has just expressed his dissappointment and concern to his son about his behavior and how he worries that Hal has lost all privileges in becoming a worthy king some day. It's very significant that Hal is finally taking a stand and declaring a change in his behavior (This could very well be the turning point of the play). What is even more interesting to me is that Hal says he will act more like himself from here on out, almost like a claim that he was putting on an act the whole time. We do know that Hal spoke earlier at the end of Act 1 about how he will redeem his character later on when the time comes, but I wasn't quite sure if he meant he would change his character or just reveal his true nature. In this statement that Prince Hal makes to his father, it appears that his true character is good and actually fit to be a leader. This also makes me wonder if Hal will forget Falstaff in his qwest to redeem himself.

Fri Sep 22, 02:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dayna Z said...

Act 3, Scene 2
#1: This scene is the long-awaited discussion between King Henry IV and Prince Hal about Hal’s life and choices. The king begins by telling he son he believes that Hal is his punishment for any sins he committed in his life (obviously, a very rude way to start a conversation). Hal begs to prove that he is not nearly as bad as the king thinks he is. King Henry then compares Hal to former-King Richard who lived his life brashly and very much in the spotlight. King Henry contrasts himself with this lifestyle by saying that he, on the other hand, operated in the background so that people regarded him in awe like a comet. Richard ruined his reputation by wanting too much attention, just like how no one can look at Hal without being weary of his future. Hal swears that one day, he will prove himself. He will fight against Hotspur and defeat him. Hal claims that he has purposely been letting Hal accumulate victories and glories so that when Hal defeats him, Hal will come off looking even better than he otherwise would have. He vows that this will be true or he’ll die a thousand deaths. Finally, Blunt enters and warns them of Mortimer and the rebels’ plans, but the king already knew about this and begins quickly planning a strategy for battle.

Fri Sep 22, 03:19:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

4)
"I shall here-after, my thrice-gracious lord, Be more myself"

The King obviously has a hard time believing that Harry can rise to the occasion and act like the prince he should be acting like. However, this quote implies that the person Harry has been acting like is not his real self. Why isn't the King suspicious or angry that the Prince has not been being who he truely is?

Fri Sep 22, 03:31:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Lauren M said...

Act 3 Scene 1 lines 198-276:
5.)
At the end of scene 1, I thought Shakespeare purposely brings the wives in to show the contrast of Mortimer and Hotspur's characters, but also to show the respect (or lack thereof) that they have towards everyone. Earlier in this scene, Hotspur is incredibly rude and argumenative towards Glendower, an important ally and influencial man. The reader soon understands that Hotspur carries this ill-mannered attitude towards everyone, including his own wife. It made me lose a little respect for Hotspur. I didn't see him as a man who would mistreat his wife. The comparision of Mortimer's emotional goodbye with his wife to Hotspur's testy goodbye with Lady Hotspur really illustrates the temperament Hotspur has encompassed. For example, when Lady Hotspur requests that Hotspur listen to Lady Mortimer's song, Hotspur replies in an irritated manner that he "would rather hear Lady, my brach howl in Irish." That was an amusing comment, but Hotspur was really kind of a jerk.

Fri Sep 22, 04:33:00 PM 2006  
Blogger mickm said...

Dear Chennery F,
While reading this scene I also wondered the two different approaches of King Henry and Hal. King Henry’s stern fatherly approach seems to suit him so far in the novel; however, successful rulers must have some contact with commoners. The notion certainly becomes true when a leader wants to go to war as King Henry mentioned in the first scene of the play. The crusade mentioned in the beginning has not been discussed since, which is do to the impending rebellion and also maybe a lack of support for the action. I believe King Henry makes the negative point about the commoners because they may see the illegal action he took in his ascension as king. The king stays out of the public eye because he committed a great sin in his life. On the other hand, Hal socializes with the commoners, which may help his cause and rally support for his later battle for the crown. Leaders must appear before their people to show their prestige and to exert their authority. The scene contrasts the two different generations and the seeming generation gap. Rulers must adapt to changing times and what works in one generation may fail in the next. Throughout the scene, King Henry ridicules his son and on at least two occasions compares him to Hotspur. The question arises, does the kings comparison drive Hal further away or does it give him a motive to win back his father’s approval. I still am unsure if Hal craves his father’s love or if his ambitions to prove himself are solely self motivation.

Fri Sep 22, 05:00:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Karen W said...

Act 3 scene 1 lines 198-276

This part of act one threw me off a lot. What is the significance? Perhaps it is to portray that all is fair in love and war. It's fair to plot, and deceive and trick, to disagree in the art of war. The rebels plot against the crown and use all of these tactics, as well as in their own circle of war makers. Then, there is this piece in the scene where the husbands are leaving, and the wives scold, but still, their love is unaltered. A language barrier can not stop communication in love, but it can make things difficult. It is amusing to see Glendower translate between lovers, as he is the host of the rebels who are ready to violently take the crown. The tenderness in Mortimer showes a side I had never seen before. He would cry with his wife for leaving her if he were not ashamed to appear unmanly...but all is fair in love and war, even surprises.

Fri Sep 22, 11:10:00 PM 2006  
Blogger ChristyH said...

Response to Act 3 Scene 2:
#5:
This scene made me react in many ways because of the actions of both King Henry and Prince Henry. I was confused when Henry said, "Thou that art like enough, through vassal fear, base inclination, and the start of spleen, to fight against me under Percy's pay..." (3.2.124-126). I was very suprised to see the King thinking so negatively. In a way, I think he says this to see how his son will react, but I am very confused as to why the King would think his own son would join the side of his enemy.
The actions of Prince Henry were not very suprising to me in this scene because of his earlier statement about putting his rebelious past behind him and making a great comeback. I knew that eventually Hal would find a reason to prove himself as the proper heir to the throne, and his father's talk of treason was just the spark Hal needed. Hal says, "I will redeem all this on Percy's head, and, in the closing of some glorious day, be bold to tell you that i am your son..." (3.2.132-134). After Hal said this, I knew this was the turning point in the play because Hal is giving up his old ways to face the reality of growing up. I am very amazed at how Hal is accepting his role to defend his father against Hotspur, but I'm not suprised because I know Hal had the good in him all along.

Fri Sep 22, 11:44:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric G. said...

Choice 6:
I thought that the contrast in relationships between Mortimer and his wife and Hotspur and Kate was really interesting. Mortimer was all over his wife even though he can't even talk to her. The relationship obviously seems pretty shallow. Mortimer even says that, "I understand thy looks...I understand thy kisses," (Lines 206;211)This relationship is clearly based on infatuation and shallow behavior. In contrast Kate and Hotspur argue. It seems to be in jest though as Lady Percy says, "Now help thee" and Hotspur says "To the Welsh Lady's bed!" (Lines 250-51) One has to have a pretty good relationship to say something like that! Kate doesn't even rebuke him so it's clear that though Hotspur is saying mean things, their relationship is so secure Kate can just let it roll off her. All in all the short section provides the perfect foil of lust and love.

Sat Sep 23, 12:10:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Becca S said...

Act 3 Scene 2

6.) This scene depicts a conversation between the King and Prince Hal. The King begins the scene by stating to Hal: "I know not whether God will have it so / For some displeasing service I have done, / That in his secret doom out of my blood/He'll breed revengement and a scourge for me;" (4-7). In this statement, the King reveals his utter confusion with Hal's actions. He doesn't understand why the son of a King has the nerve to act so dismally unless put upon the earth solely to avenge God's discontent with the King: "But thou dost in thy passages of life / Make me believe that thou art only marked / For the hot vengeance and the rod of heaven, / To punish my mistreadings" (8-11).

After the King drones on and on about Hal's mishaps (like many parents we know), Hal's response is interesting: "Do not think so, you shall not find it so; / An God forgive them that so much have swayed / Your Majesty's good thoughts away from me!" (129-131). Hal responds by trying to correct his father's image of him. This reveals Hal's admiration of his father because it proves that he cares what is thought of him. Hal understands that he is a disappointment and it obviously bothers him. Judging by Hal's emotional attachment to his father and his deep-down desire for his father's affection, I think that Hal will start to pull through and hopefully regain the respect that he's lost.

Sat Sep 23, 01:27:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

6)
Up until Scene two the reader is given ideas about the relationship between King Henry and Prince Harry. However, this is the first scene where the two of them actually interact. In their interaction it is clear that both the king and the prince are not unsure of their own greatness. In the previous act Harry disclosed his own ingenious plan. Harry is very confident in himself, that he can act like one person and then change into another person, a heroic prince. The king is also very sure of himself as a king. He describes himself as "But like a comet I was wondered at." The king thinks he such a great king that he can describe himself as a heavenly object.
Next, the king is obviously very disappointed in his son. He tells Harry "You have lost your princely status by associating with vile criminals." The king is so ashamed of his son that he has appointed his younger brother on his council.
However, Prince Harry does not try to argue with the king or defend his actions. He takes everything his father says. Harry does not appologize or ask for forgiveness. Rather he asks God to forgive whoever turned his father against him. A question I had on this quote was, Is the prince asking for God's forgiveness or passing the blame to someone else? Finally Harry tells his father, "I'll redeem myself by beating Percy." I thought the entire relationship between Henry and Harry was doomed until this scene. After this scene I think that the two will work it out. Henry was able to express his disspointment, Harry was able to take the blows, and finally Harry was confident that he could beat Percy and regain his father's respect.

Sun Sep 24, 03:15:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kaeli K said...

2) The significance of this scene is to finally reveal the feelings the King has for his son and the reason for the King's constant worry becomes clear.

Without this scene, the play would not connect the true Prince Henry (meaning the one that will become a great King one day) with the King. Before this scene, the reader had only seen the King talking bad about Prince Henry and Prince Henry mentioning his father, but no real connection was there. After this scene however, it becomes clear that the King and Prince do have a relationship. The King honestly cares about Prince Henry's future and his current actions are, in the eyes of his father, impacting his future which causes much distress for the King. The Prince honestly cares about his father's feelings, and once they are presented to him, Prince Henry vows to change his actions, correct his image in the eyes of the public, and become a better warrior then Hotspur. They truely have a father-son relationship.

Sun Sep 24, 04:47:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Gabrielle M said...

I'm from another class and I think I am in the right place...

Robin Louis...
Your question is interesting. Remember that Hal's actions and words are cunning and intentional. We as reades in fact do not yet know what Hals true intetions are and may not find out untill the end of the Henriads. However, I think King Henry is in fact very upset by Hal's actions and disquise. God pardon thee! yet let me wonder, Harry,at thy affections, which do hold a wing quite from the flight of all thy ancestors.Thy place in council thou hast rudely lost.
Which by thy younger brother is supplied, and art almost an alien to the hearts of all the court and princes of my blood: the hope and expectation of thy time is ruin'd, and the soul of every man
Prophetically doth forethink thy fall."

Sun Sep 24, 05:28:00 PM 2006  
Blogger zackr said...

Responding to Steph Zepelin’s post:

It is interesting to compare the meeting between Hal and his father to the mock form of the meeting in act II. Whereas the act II form concerns primarily mutual kidding between friends, in which both parties speculated on defending of Falstaff’s morality. The act III form, however, does not once mention Falstaff. The true form has no room for jest or sloth or anything that would grant Falstaff relevance. When Hal sees his true responsibility, he finds no room for lighthearted attitudes

Mon Sep 25, 05:38:00 PM 2006  
Blogger EmilyR said...

Kendra:

You say that Hotspur is not a leader nor is worthy of being a leader. I disagree. Not all leaders deserve the authority they are given yet often times do end up leading. Perhaps it is not the kind of leadership one wants to respect or the kind of leadership that is effective in getting others to do what one wants them too. Hotspur is a leader. Just because he mocks Glendower for his beliefs that does not reflect on his role as the leader of the rebel camp. Hotspur has his own opinions. Dictators are often intolerant but don't they get the most done in the shortest amount of time? Hotspur may not be the most beloved character in this play but he does get get his point across. In the first act He is remarkably upset about the King wanting to take his prisoners. I don't think that the King ever gains possession of these men because of Hotspurs violent determination. His temper may not be any exceptional quality but he does indeed coerce others into doing what he wants them to... or else he would not be such a prominent figure in the rebel camp. Likewise, would you consider Halto be leader? He is not the leader of nation yet but he is kind of a leader for the pub crawlers. He protects them, like he does when Falstaff cannot pay for his breakfast. Also, the pub crawlers have some level of respect for him which is noted when the tell him about what they want when he is king. They all realize that he will have authority over them. Hal and Hotspur may not be the most upstanding leaders but they both have a following of people that respects them and also allows them to assert their apparent authority.

(Emily Richey from Kleeman's class)

Mon Sep 25, 07:59:00 PM 2006  
Blogger laurenc said...

Dear Christy,

I enjoyed reading your post because it gave me a new insight on Act 3 Scene 2. My group and I had discussed this scene earlier and this is what we found: the king is dissappointed in Hal and talks in an upset tone. He is not necessarily angry, it's just that he may be speaking to Hal in a troubled, fatherly manner. Hal then responds to King Henry as if he is completely sorry for what he had done and is totally willing to change in order to be a good future king. We thought that this may have been slightly dishonest, in that Hal may have said it just to appease his father.

Also, when you questioned as to why Hal would join the side of Henry's enemy, I think it was totally hypothetical. Henry is wondering why he should share with Hal about his foes when his own son can't even be trusted with that sort of knowledge.

I'm now curious about how the play will turn out and if Hal will really change his ways to become a good king. It will be interesting to see if he sticks to his word and adjusts his lifestyle for the better.

Mon Sep 25, 10:10:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Paige w said...

ACT 3.1

In this scene, Hotspur once again shows his hypocratic side. He says, "And I can teach thee, coz, to shame the devil
By telling truth: tell truth and shame the devil.
If thou have power to raise him, bring him hither,
And I'll be sworn I have power to shame him hence.
O, while you live, tell truth and shame the devil!" He urges Glendower to tell the truth and banish the devil, but does he not, in earlier scenes aviod the truth by not telling Kate? Is he then, joking when he says this to Glendower? But then Mortimer says, "Come, come, no more of this unprofitable chat." I cannot tell if Hotspur is serious when he talks of truth telling, but i think he is. Why is he then, such a hypocrit?

Tue Sep 26, 08:26:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

What exactly are Glendower and Hotspur fighting about? I know they don't like each other, and I'm pretty sure Hotspur thinks Glendower is full of himself, but I'm not quite sure I understood exactly what their beef is about....

Tue Sep 26, 10:29:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

I think this scene is important because it shows why King Henry disapproves so strongly of Hal's actions, and it also shows something about his character. Henry lectures Hal on how if Hal becomes to familiar a face to the common people, they are not going to respect him like they should respect a king. He claims this was one of the downfalls of King Richard II. I also think it shows that King Henry is become a little too pompous, because it reveals how much he thinks himself above the "common people", even though he just recently was one.

Tue Sep 26, 10:32:00 PM 2006  

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