Friday, September 01, 2006

King Henry IV, Part 1 -- Act 1, Scene 2 Reading Blog

When you have finished reading Act I of King Henry IV, Part 1, please post a reading blog for each of the scenes other than the one your acting troupe is performing. Please comment only on Scene 2 of Act 1 on this post. Be sure to label the entry number that you have selected.

Later, come back to the blog and comment on at least one of your classmates' comments. Be sure to indicate which specific comment you're responding to (the person's name), and comment on the appropriate scene's post.

Please complete all three of your comments before we move on to the next act of the play (in this case, before Tuesday, September 12, 2006)


Blogger Justin L said...

Act 1 Scene 2:

“Thou art so fat-witted with drinking of old sack, and unbuttoning thee after supper, and sleeping upon benches afternoon, that thou hast forgotten to demand that truly which thou wouldst truly know” (1.2.2-6) Price to Falstaff
I felt that this statement was incredibly rude toward Falstaff, yet he seems to take it as just a joke. I think this is a good example of the relationship between Hal and Falstaff that shows them as more than just friends, but as close friends who can play with each other’s feelings and attitudes. I think that this allows for Hal to grow as a person because it allows him to learn when certain actions are appropriate or not, which will help him as the next King.

“You will, chops” (1.2.142) Poins to Falstaff
I think that this barrage of insults to Falstaff regarding his weight and appearance, provide a great barometer for judging the character of Falstaff through his responses to these insults. He seems to play along with them, even attacking himself at some points, showing the reader that Falstaff is comfortable with who he is, which allows him to exert greater influence on those around him.

“Who, I rob? I a thief? Not I, by my faith” (1.2.144). Prince to Poins and Falstaff
I felt that this statement was a very good indicator of Prince’s moral stances and the person for whom he wishes to become, yet it also serves as the ironic cloud that overshadows the Prince. It is inferred that the Prince has robbed before since they are asking him to do it know, yet he puts on this fake air of morality, showing his indecisiveness regarding who he wants to become when he ascends to the throne.

I enjoyed all of these quotes because I believe that they provided an insider’s look at the characters of Falstaff and Hal, which will be invaluable later in the play, as we attempt to understand the actions that they take and why they took them.

7) Hal-

I am the son of King Henry IV. He wants me to be heroic and brave, always calling Hotspur better than I, which only causes me to run from the things that he wants. Yet, I feel that I can no longer always just run. One day, I will be King, and I can not run from expectations as King. Yet, in my escapes I have come to know Falstaff and others in the Tavern crew as my friends, but they only lead to me actions that are not heroic or brave, yet I still do them. Why? Possibly, if I do these things, then change myself and oppose those things, then the world and my father will think more of me because I escaped from the dreadful past that I had been caught in. When Poins asked if I wanted to steal again, I immediately said no, but then thought about the opportunity I had in doing that and then changing. This bound to work, because not only will I look great, but I will also get the riches that I stole. A perfect deal. I am still trying to figure out who I am, yet I think I may have stumbled upon the way to do that. I will just use the others around me in the tavern to accomplish the goals that I have set for myself. This can work. I just have to make sure that it does.

Mon Sep 04, 01:49:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Stacie C said...

Act 1 Scene 2: Questions:
During their conversation, Falstaff makes an interesting statement:
(I,ii, 81-86) "O, thou hast damnable iteration, and art indeed able to/ corrupt a saint. Thou hast done much harm upon me, Hal/ God forgive the for it. Before I knew thee, Hal, I knew nothing, and now am I, if a man should speak truly,little/better than one of the wicked. I must give over this life, and I/ will give it over. By the Lord and I do not, I am a villain./ I'll be damned for never a king's son in Christendom."
-- Are Falstaff's statements prophetic for Prince Hal's reign and lifestyle?-- Will Hal be condemned and brought to justice for his actions, will he be able to redeem himself, or continue to corrupt the innocent?
-- Furthermore, at the beginning of the scene, Hal accuses Falstaff of being a drunken scoundrel, who can hardly worry about the time of day since he is too busy with his criminal endeavors. Is Shakespeare setting Falstaff up as a fool or madman who can speak words of wisdom, even if they his warnings go unheeded by the Prince?

Mon Sep 04, 06:55:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Becca S said...

Act 1 Scene 2:
Response to Stacey

"Are Falstaff's statements prophetic for Prince Hal's reign and lifestyle?-- Will Hal be condemned and brought to justice for his actions, will he be able to redeem himself, or continue to corrupt the innocent?"

-I think that Hal will not be able to redeem himself by the end of the play. He expresses the desire at the end of the second scene to continue living the life he's living now, only to repent for it later and gain recognition for his repentence. I think this foreshadows a false sense of confidence. The fact that Hal is so knowledgable of his un-royalty-like actions is a signal that he might not be able to pull off the "repentence card". He can not claim ignorance and immaturity if he openly knows what he is doing is wrong. However, at this point in the play, he does not openly admit this --he only says it when he is alone in the room, so it might be interesting to watch the difference between what Hal tells people he is doing and what he actually knows he is doing.

"Furthermore, at the beginning of the scene, Hal accuses Falstaff of being a drunken scoundrel, who can hardly worry about the time of day since he is too busy with his criminal endeavors. Is Shakespeare setting Falstaff up as a fool or madman who can speak words of wisdom, even if they his warnings go unheeded by the Prince?"

--I think that this is a very reasonable possibility. It would be excellent irony for Shakespeare to create a character who warns the prince of the consequences of his actions all throughout the novel but have the prince constnatly ignore him because he is a drunk and a madman. It would be very interesting to see if Falstaff becomes a prominent character to judge the rest of the novel by.

Wed Sep 06, 02:20:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Chennery F said...

Act 1 Scene 2

6) This scene was very descriptive about the relationship between Falstaff and Prince Hal. Although Hal is the Prince, Falstaff treats him like someone below him. This idea is opitimized when Falstaff says, "There's neigher honesty, manhood, nor good fellowship in thee, nor thou camest not of the blood royal." Falstaff, like the king, also seems to look down on Hal, but for different reasons. Falstaff looks down on the prince in a much more light-hearted, joking manner, while the king actually means it. Perhpas Hal is searching for a "father figure" to replace the king of a father whom doesnt really like Hal. Basically I just find the relationship between these two characters very interested and I'm curious to see how a prince will be able to stay close to a pub-crawler.

Wed Sep 06, 10:46:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Matt P said...

Act 1, Scene 2, OPtion 5:

Prince Hal has an idea about how to live his life that I find very interesting. In this scene, Hal makes a long speech about how he will allow his fiendish friends to surround him and include him in their unlawful behavior, and when the time is right, he will completely change his ways. In this way Hal believes he will look even better having reformed from his tainted ways rather than having never been tainted at all. Hal puts it this way: "My reformation glittering over my fault,/ Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes/ Than that which hath no foil to set it off" (1,2,202-204). I believe that Hal really does think that he will look better having thrown off his faulty ways, however, I also think Hal is using this plan as an excuse to indulge his desires in his youth. Hal seems like he is not ready to give up his pub-crawling campanions and the epicurian lives they lead. Hal is not ready to live a respectable life because of his youth and the company he keeps, so he uses his plan as an excuse to not be accountable for his actions.

Thu Sep 07, 04:59:00 PM 2006  
Blogger ChristyH said...

Act 1 Scene 2:
If I were to get inside Prince Henry's mind, I would certainly be feeling a lot of different emotions. I would feel very disgusted inside, knowing the bad decisions I am making and the negative influence my friends have on me. I would really feel like I was letting down the honor I should carry as well as my family by robbing the people of my own country. Though I know it is wrong, I still go along with Falstaff and Poins because they are my friends. Deep down, I know they are wrong in their actions and they waste away their days acting immaturely, but I'm too weak to stand up for what I really believe is right. In the robbery situation, I say it's an act so later my expectations will be lowered when I do decide to step up to fulfill my royal duties. Though I'm doing immoral things and losing the respect of my father, at least I've got a good idea for my royal "come-back!"

Thu Sep 07, 05:00:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kylee L said...

Act 1 Scene 2:


I think the significance of this scene is to show Prince Hal's motivation to being around his dishonest friends (Hal’s motivation is simply to make the King disapprove).

Prince Hal wants to join his friends in stealing from the traders. Hal knows that his actions are un-princely like and that his father, the King, would disapprove. Hal says, “Who, I rob? I a thief? Not I, by my faith” (pp.12, line 131), but a few lines later Hal decides that he will accompany Poins in the robbery. Hal knows that by being associated with these men his father will criticize and think lowly of him. Hal is upsetting the King intentionally because Hal realizes that the King wishes he were Hotspur.

Thu Sep 07, 05:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sean K said...

Act I Scene 2 Robbery Motif

The justification of robbery in the world of the tavern crew is explained by Flastaff. I thought is was interesting how he considers "Purse-taking" a vocation and that no man should be punished for their vocation. He has an honor amoung theives. For example, he follows the moon and not Phoebus. He doesn't want theives hanged, evident when he says he wants to be the judge of theives when Henry is king and Henry replies that he would be a rare hangman. I also thought that Flastaff accepts his fate as a theif in the lines, "I am a villain ..." Finally, I was confused by what Henry meant in his lines, "Thous sayest well . . . as the ridge of the gallows," at the beginning of the scene. Is this Prince Henry insulting thieves?

Thu Sep 07, 06:36:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Molly M said...

Act 1 Scene 2:


The image of masks and disguises appears several times during this scene. They are first referenced when they are planning the robbery. Poins says, “I have vizards for you all.” This image appears again when Poins and Prince Henry are planning to rob the thieves. Again it is Poins speaking and he says, “our vizards we will change after we leave them: and, sirrah, I have cases of buckra for the noce, to immask our noted outward garments.” Poins is planning to disguise himself and Hal so that their identities are hidden. This is what Hal is doing throughout the entire scene, pretending to be something he is not. First he is discussing the idea of the robbery with Falstaff and is totally against the idea, “Who, I rob? I a thief? Not I by my faith.” Hal has Falstaff convinced that he is not interested in participating. However after Falstaff leaves, Hal proves that he is ok with robbery and agrees to help Poins rob Falstaff and the others. He also tells the reader that he is only pretending to be bad in order to increase his popularity later on in his life. H says, “by so much shall I falsify men’s hopes; and like bright metal on a sullen ground, my reformation, glittering o’er my fault, shall show more goodly and attract more eyes than that which hath no foil to set it off.” Hal is hiding who he really is and the leader that he knows he can be in order to impress his country later. They can admire his change of heart and therefore be more supportive of his rule. He is masking his real identity. I believe that masks will continue to play a significant role throughout this play.

Thu Sep 07, 06:53:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Steph Zepelin said...

here is my take on the quotes Justin posted. (This is my scene.)
"Thou art...know"
Even though this quote might seem rude, I think that is like someone being sarcastic today. Falstaff knows that Hal is joking and so he isn't even offended. This insulting back and forth is merely a kind of pastime for the pub crawlers.

"You will, chops"
This is not just an insult towards Falstaff, it also plays into the motif of eating/being overweight.

"Who, I rob?"
I agree with Justin in his interpretation of this quote. I would like to add that this quote shows that Prince Hal has morals and uses them...but he doesn't always use them when he is hanging out with his pub friends. By saying this to the pub crawlers it shows that Hal is neither completely moral (because he still hangs around with pub crawlers) nor is he completely unfit for the throne.

Thu Sep 07, 07:33:00 PM 2006  
Blogger kelsee p said...

Act 1 Scene 2:

1) Okay so here is basically my summary of the scene. Prince Henry is identified with his group of rouges then begins to play a game of wits with Falstaff, when Poins tells of the arranged plan of robbery by Gadshill. The prince and Poins then agree to disguise themselves and rob Falstaff. But then that clever prince in an aside tells that he is wearing a deliberate mask of frivolity which he will cleverly lose when the time is "right". He seems to hope that his seriousness will be more unexpected because of the surprise.

Thu Sep 07, 07:57:00 PM 2006  
Blogger kelsee p said...

Response to Christy:

I think that you did an awesome job summarizing thing that you would feel if you were to be inside Prince Henry's mind, although I wanted to ask which of these things that you listed do you (or anyone else) think he actually felt? In my opinion I don't think that Herny is as "deep" as the questions that you posed. I honestly don't think that he has much regard for the "honor that he should carry", or the negative effects of his decisions. However I totally agree with the last sentence that you wrote "Though I'm doing immoral things and losing the respect of my father, at least I've got a good idea for my royal "come-back!"" In my opinion I find Henry to be not necessarily a weak character, but one in which the reader can't tell his values from his actions. Agree/Disagree??

Thu Sep 07, 08:09:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Dayna Z said...

Act 1, Scene 2:

In response to Chennery’s post, I don’t necessarily think that Hal is looking for a “father figure” in Falstaff, but I think Hal likes to spend time with him simply because Falstaff is so different than the members of the court that he is usually surrounded by. As a prince, people probably just agree with Hal all the time and say whatever they believe he wants to hear. Falstaff definitely does not do this. Instead, he is not afraid to speak his mind to Hal, such as when he says, “Before I knew thee, Hal, I knew nothing, and now am I, if a man should speak truly, little better than one of the wicked” (1, 2 81-83). Falstaff tells Hal that he has been corrupted by being the prince’s friend. Even though he is insulting him, that fact that Falstaff tells Hal how he really feels is probably a major reason why they are friends. They have a relaxed relationship that is very different than the stiff dealings that probably come with being a prince.

Thu Sep 07, 08:11:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kaeli K said...

In the very beginning of this scene, Falstaff and Prince Henry are hanging out. Falstaff is portrayed as a guy that doesn't care what people think about him and doesn't care if something is wrong or against the law. However, it is evident that Prince Henry and Falstaff have a good relationship because they are able to take "verbal stabs" at each other.
Then Poins and Gadshill enter and they all start talking about a robbery then have planned. They ask Prince Henry to go along, but he is pretty hesitant. Poins tells the others to leave him alone and let Poins convince him.
Poins tells Prince Henry that he has a joke planned to rob Falstaff and Gadshill after they rob the travellers. Prince Henry agrees to go along with it.
Once Prince Henry is alone, he reveals a part of his true identity and life plan. He is pretending to be a low life so once he matures and decides to stop hanging around those people, the public will be in aw over his character.

Thu Sep 07, 08:23:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Emily M said...


I love the banter between Falstaff and Prince Hal at the beginning of Scene II. Here is a snippet of it:
Prince- "Unless houres were cups of sack, and minutes capons, and clocks the tongues of bawds, and dials the signs of leaping-houses, and the blessed sun himself a fair hot wench in flame-coloured taffeta, I see no reason why thou...demand the time of day" Falstaff- "...for grace thou wilt have non" Prince- "What, non?" Falstaff- "No, by my troth, not so much as will serve to be prologue to an egg and butter"

Ok, that was long- but do you all understand why I already love Falstaff? He is fat, and let's face it, fat jokes are funny! But he is also clever-- I love how he almost admiringly says "God save thy grace" but then says that Hal doesn't even have enough class to say grace at the supper table! HAHA!

Falstaff: "Yea, and so used it that, were it not here apparent that thou are heir apparent..." Get it, the play on words? Here apparent vs heir apparent-- I thought that was very clever. Little details like these make reading Shakespeare much more interesting!

I'm not going to regurgitate the enirety of the dialogue when Poins enters, but I recommend reading it-- especially if you understand some of the jokes he is making. He basically pokes fun at both Prince Hal and Falstaff. I love when Poins asks Falstaff about how he sold his soul to the devil for some meat and wine. That's some pretty good humor, you have to admit!

Thu Sep 07, 09:05:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

I really enjoyed this scene, mainly because of the dialogue between Hal and Falstaff. This scene was a fairly simple one, and basically sets up the scene we read in class. It starts out with Hal and Falstaff, who pretty much just insult each other the entire time. Eventually, Poins comes into the scene and proposes that they all rob men travelling to Canterbury. Hal tells Poins and Falstaff that he doesnt want to join in, and Poins convinces Falstaff to leave, saying he will "lay him down such reasons for this adventure that he shall go." Poins then tells Hal of his plan for the two of them to rob Falstaff, Gadshill, and Peto. Hal at first refuses, saying they will surely be recognized. Poins says they will be cleverly disguised, and that Hal doesn't need to worry about a fight either, as he knows them all to be cowards. Poins then says that the whole point of the joke is that when Poins and Hal meet up with the other three later, Falstaff will surely boast of how he had to fight off thirty men, when Poins and Hal know he really ran like the coward he is. After Poins leaves, Hal states his purpose in all this "wrong-doing." He says it is only a mask, and when the time comes he will step up to his true responsibilities. He then says that when he does step up, he will seem extraordinarily great, because everyone will be comparing him to his "old" villian self.

Thu Sep 07, 09:15:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Justin L said...

Response to Christy’s #7:

Reading through Act 1 Scene 2, the view of Prince Henry’s mind that I saw in the play differed greatly from that of Christy’s view. It seems that Hal is not as emotionally distraught, as you mentioned, because he states that he is not a thief, by saying that “who I rob? I a thief?” (1.2.144). This shows not that he is a person confused about his moral standings and beliefs, but that he is comfortable in who he is. Hal does not give any signs of being emotionally torn between two ideals, but he actually seems to be playing them off of one another, in an attempt to gain and learn from the best that both worlds have to offer for him. This can be seen in his plot to live a life of thievery and then to break out “through the foul and ugly mists of vapors that did seem to strangle him” (1.2.209-210). Since, he is planning on using his changed life away pub-crawlers to enhance society’s opinion of him, I doubt that he would feel guilty for an action he is committing so wantonly. This does not show that Hal is weak and incapable of saying no to Poins and Falstaff, but actually that he is a fairly clever and adept individual who understands the rules of the game. This is view of Hal that I believe is shown in this scene.

Thu Sep 07, 10:05:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Maya R said...

Prince Henry, what are you running from? It seems like you are either afraid of your responsibilty as a prince, or you are tired of that responsibility. Is it too much for you, does your father expect too much of you, or do you just want to have a good time with the benefits of having a prince's wallet?

Thu Sep 07, 10:16:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

Flagstaff: What entitles you to act superior to Prince Henry when he is in line for the throne? Are you jealous of him? Were you once a great knight, full of glory and honor, or have you always been a "pubcrawler?"

Henry: Why do you spend your time with people that are so much lower in class than yourself? Do you simply enjoy their company, or do you simply enjoy being around people that are not as clever as you? Do you want to prove yourself - show people that there is more to your personality than being a docile prince?

Thu Sep 07, 10:39:00 PM 2006  
Blogger sarahg said...

Act 1 Scene 2:

"Prince Henry: I see a good amendment of life in thee, from praying to purse-taking.

Falstaff: Why, Hal, Tis my vocation, Hal. 'Tis no sin for a man to labor in his vocation."

Hahaha! This quote made me laugh. Ah, the humor and the irony... Anyways, this quote appears after Falstaff accuses Hal (Prince Henry)of corrupting him. Then Falstaff announces his plan to "give over this life" and stop doing evil. Mere seconds later, Falstaff is incredibly enthusiastic about the idea of robbing someone. Falstaff reveals his very tainted view of religion. It seems that he uses religion merely to gain attention and to make Hal laugh. I, personally, laughed out loud when i read it. Literally, laughed out loud.

Falstaff and Hal have a very entertaining relationship, I have found. In this scene, they say some very unusual, humorous things. The quote that I chose was not as unusual; just a funny comment, which is actually a rather obvious statement, between two jolly old friends who like to steal, and to discuss their corrupting one another. So it still is a bit unusual...

Thu Sep 07, 11:40:00 PM 2006  
Blogger sarahg said...

I wish to respond to Maya's comment about Prince Henry.
I don't believe that he is running away so much as he has completely retired his role as Prince. I think it is clear that he has little or no desire to be a prince or to become king. It could be the pressure from his father and his surroundings, but I think the bigger reason for his disinterest is that he wants to hang around at the pub, and to joke with Falstaff and the rest of the pub crawlers. They live much more dangerous and exhilerating lives than the average prince does. It seems that Prince Henry just does not want responsibility, and not necessarily because he is afraid of it or tired of it.

Thu Sep 07, 11:54:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric W. said...

"Eight yards of uneven ground is threescore and ten miles afoot with me, and the stony-hearted villians know it well enough." (1.2.23-25)-Falstaff to Poins and Prince

Falstaff's insults to himself not only supply comic relief but definitely expose his personality and relationship with Hal. From his own desriptions, Falstaff describes himself "[I am] a man that speaks truly, little better than one of the wicked” (1.2.81-82)
Falstaff is honest, but that is about the only thing that he does right. Even though his comments about himself are funny to read, he is really jeopardizing Hal's growth in his maturity. Falstaff is not manifesting any leadership characteristics into Hal which is dangerous; Falstaff does not have to grow up and be king. Hal says "My reformation glittering over my fault / Than that which hath no foil to set it off" (1,2,202-204). Hal is expressing that he will change his ways and it will look even better when he becomes a foil to his old self when he is king. This mindset is so dangerous. Hal's infuences are selfish, ruthless, and drunks! Hal is not going to recieve the support he needs and the wisdom he will want to rule a country, but instead, his friends will tempt him to live a ruthless life as before.

Fri Sep 08, 09:17:00 AM 2006  
Blogger ChristyH said...

Act 1 Scene 2
Response to Amy:
Amy, your questions were very good about both Falstaff and Henry, and I had those same questions when I read this scene. I think Falstaff might act "superior" to Prince Henry simply because he knows him so well and feels comfortable around him, so he can say things that might put down the Prince. In a way, yes, I do think Falstaff is jealous, especially when he says to Henry, "...when thou art king, let not us that are called thieves...let us be Kiana's foresters, gentlemen of the shade" (1.2.21-23). When Falstaff makes this comment, he is telling Henry to use his royal power to at least give him a "cool" name. As for your questions about Henry, I don't think Henry thinks of his friends as being lower than him in class. These are the men who know Henry best, and he simply sees them as his friends. Maybe deep down Henry does know he is more clever than his friends, but when they are all at the pub together, they all view eachother equally. As for your last question, I do think Henry spends time in the pubs to reveal there is more to him than a Prince. He is also just a young man who wants to enjoy his life befroe the throne.

Sun Sep 10, 10:52:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Robyn Louis said...

3 and 4)
Harry seems so confident that he will rise to glory when ever he feels ready. He even compares himself to the sun: "Yet herein will I imitate the sun, Who doth permit the base contagious clouds to smother up his beauty from the world, That when he please again to be himself, Being wanted, he may be more wondered at by breaking through the foul and ugly mist of the vapors that did seem to strangle him." Harry thinks that he can be lazy for all these years and then when he wants to he can 'break out of his shell' and rise to beauty like the sun. I don't think he should be so confident in himself. What makes him think that after all the years he can suddenly switch personalities?

Sun Sep 10, 03:22:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Melissa said...

Act I Scene 2:

5. As I read this scene, I continually asked myself questions about Prince Hal and his nature by analyzing his actions towards the others. He begins by being friendly with Falstaff, acting almost like brothers. They plan and scheme for another robbery, and converse about what it is like to be "minions of the moon" (line 26) and thieves.

Yet, as soon as Poins enters, Hal's attitude toward Falstaff changes; he contradicts what he was saying to Falstaff when he says, "Who, I rob? I a thief? Not I, by my faith....Come what will, I'll tarry at home" (lines 134-140). He had just been speaking to Falstaff about a previous robbery on a Monday night, and then as he speaks to Poins and Falstaff, he denies a robbery and says he won't take part in it, only to discuss later with Poins how they will rob the money from Falstaff and the others later. Why such deceipt and dishonesty?

Then, after Poins leaves, Hal reveals that he will use his thievery to reform into a greater man that people will admire for changing, "I know you all, and will awhile uphold/The unyoked humor of your idleness" (lines 188-189), basically displaying how he has decepted all of his thief friends. He is only using them to come out on top in the end as a better person.

What I want to know is--why? Why would Hal decieve people that he acts like friends with? And why does he want to reform into a good person after having played along with the thieves for a while? Does he just want more of a reward than any robbery will get him in the end? Is he trying to teach himself a lesson? Or is he just trying to make his father angry? I don't know...

Sun Sep 10, 07:23:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Eric G. said...

Prompt Number 3. Act 1 Scene 2.

Has Falstaff always been a fat slob. Is there a somewhat rational reason for his irresponisble actions, or has Falstaff always been the jokester as he is?

Is the kingdom fully aware of activities of the pub-crawlers? Do the lower classes ever associate with pub crawlers?

Is there a Queen to King Henry in the play? Does she play a role in subduing or possibly causing Hal's misbehavior?

Is King Henery old? That would give a sense of urgency to Hal's transformation.

What do you feel is more humorous, Billy Madison, or Henry 4th? Do you think the connection is valid or is it blasphous to mention Adam Sandler in the same breath as Shakesphere?

Sun Sep 10, 07:29:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Melissa said...

In response to Matt...

Thanks, you kind of answered a question of mine. You said Hal is using his plan as an excuse to indulge in thievery and his desires, he is not ready to step to the throne, and he does not want to be held accountable for his actions. This all makes sense to me, except, why is he still deceiving/playing games with all of the thieves? Do you think this still has to do with his need to have fun? I also think something with his father must play into this situation. I agree with your idea, but I think there might be more to it, i.e, some underlying motive for his actions in Hal that we have not yet seen.

I also liked your word choice and your response was well organized and thought out.

Sun Sep 10, 07:31:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Amy J said...

In response to Kylee's comment:

I agree with your idea that Prince Hal spends time with the pub-crawlers to defy his father, but I think that it is also more complex than that. It seems like he wants to not only anger the king, but disprove any preconceived notions the people have of him simply because he is heir to the throne. Much of it is due, however, to a desire for rebellion and retaliation against his father for wishing Hotspur were his son, as Kylee said. And maybe he just wants to have fun outside the palace walls.

Sun Sep 10, 08:02:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Paige w said...

I am very confused about the relationship between Falstaff and Hal. They are good friends, and enjoy eachother's company, but why? Hal is a young Prince, and Falstaff is an old drunk. Where did their relationship come from, and how why is Hal, a prince friends with the pub crawlers? I also wondered why Poins asks Hal to join him in duping Falstaff out of his robbed goods, when he knows Hal and Falstaff are so close? And if this relationship stands true, why does Hal agree?
As much as this scene confused me, I enjoyed reading of Falstaff and Hal's friendship. They joke and call eachother names, but still remain close friends. I think some of the names Hal calls Falstaff are quite amusing, like "chops" and "fat witted".

Mon Sep 11, 04:23:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Paige w said...

I'd like to respond to Kylee's comment. Her comment clarified some of the questions I had in my comment. I wondered why Hal would be friends with the pub crawlers, and as she explained, it was to make the King disapprove. He lies to them and says he wont partake, in another quote i was confused by, but then turns around and plans to fool them with poins.

Mon Sep 11, 04:29:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Kylee L said...

In response to Christy...I really liked what you said Prince Henry is thinking. I agree with you when you said that the reason that the Prince was going to go along with Poins in the robbery was to make his father disapprove. Then when Prince Henry decides to fulfill his royal duties everyone will be surprised and proud of his decision. Christy, you also summarize his thoughts well and clarify the idea that Henry knew what he was doing was wrong, but he had motivation to commit all his wrongs.

Mon Sep 11, 07:27:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Sam S said...

Chennery I think that your comment about Hal looking for a father figure in Falstaff is a very true argument. It is obvious that Hal knows how his father feels about him, and it is very possible that Hal wants a father and a friend in Falstaff. : )

Tue Sep 12, 10:05:00 PM 2006  
Blogger barbarab88 said...

Act 1 Scene 2:

I believe the most important sentence in this scene is line 205. "I'll so offend to make offense a skill, redeeming time when men think least I will."
This is the most important sentence in the scene because it reveals Hal's frame of mind. He does care what people think. Even though he is a low-life, hanging at the pub and getting drunk, he plans to redeem and show himself worthy to others. It seems as if he is a low-life to prove that he is able to change from nothing to something great. He is creating his own self to compare to. He seems to want to be known as a low-life, so when he becomes great he will "show more goodly and attract more eyes than that which hath no foil to set it off" (203-204). Hal creates his own foil with himself.

If this line was not in the scene, the purpose and intent of Hal's friendship with the pub-crawlers would not be known. Here is the promise that Hal will become something great, something noteworthy. He is shown as driven and as a morally good character with good intentions with what he is doing with his life. However, the pressures of society are emphasized, showing that he must outdo and be greater than his father ever was, so he stages this complete transformation of himself. Without this sentence, Hal would have continued to be seen as a lazy frat boy who only drinks and parties his life away because that is all he cares about.

Wed Sep 13, 03:47:00 AM 2006  
Blogger barbarab88 said...

In reponse to Melissa's earlier comment:

It is interesting that Hal continually turns against Falstaff. I believe this is because Falstaff is entirely different than anyone in this play. He is always laughing, making jokes, having fun. He is never serious or somber. He is always...happy. I believe Hal wants to spend his life this way. I think one of Hal's major conflicts is his desire to live life care-free, yet he has his obligations to the throne and to look good. Alone, he aids Falstaff because he really wants to join in and become a part of Falstaff's world. However, when outsiders enter, Hal feels he must separate himself from the image of Falstaff in order to maintain his own reputation. Even though he wants to associate himself as a low-life to make his rise to power even greater, he still puts himself above them. This shows that Hal will always feel superior to Falstaff, even though he feels the same "freedom" as he does. Hal just cannot commit to that lifestyle because of his duties to his country and his people.

Wed Sep 13, 03:55:00 AM 2006  

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